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Recipe Master Wu's Green Dragon - Tincture

I have a number of rosin press pucks that I have saved up over time. I am thinking of converting it into tincture or cannacaps.

Either way, I imagine I should still do a 40 min decarb at 240F then grind it up? I will probably do the everclear method as I got some sitting around. I figure, if it is too strong under the tongue I could always give up the speedier effects and just add it to some tea.
 
I'm thinking maybe take about half of it and reduce it down?
It really depends on whether or not you get the desired effects from what you've done. If not, reducing it will increase the potency (as long as you do it slowly and with low heat).
I imagine I should still do a 40 min decarb at 240F then grind it up?
I would.
 
I have a number of rosin press pucks that I have saved up over time. I am thinking of converting it into tincture or cannacaps.

Either way, I imagine I should still do a 40 min decarb at 240F then grind it up? I will probably do the everclear method as I got some sitting around. I figure, if it is too strong under the tongue I could always give up the speedier effects and just add it to some tea.

I've been making medibles using rosin lately. Your tincture should be similar.

I haven't noticed any difference between decarbed or not. If fact I like the effects of the rosin in part because of the terpenes. And those would go fast in a decarb.

As for the strength I've found up to 50% plant wax on rosin harvested from pressed rosin pucks. Plant wax should not harm a tincture, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
Here's another article on tinctures.... since they prefer to use alcohol (rather than glycerin) I'm putting it in this thread....

Cannabis tinctures 101: How to make, consume, and dose them

What is a cannabis tincture?
Cannabis tinctures are alcohol-based cannabis extracts—essentially, cannabis-infused alcohol. In fact, tinctures were the main form of cannabis medicine until the United States enacted cannabis prohibition. They’re a great entry point for both recreational and medical consumers looking to ease into smokeless consumption methods.

How to make cannabis tinctures
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If you don’t have a full kitchen or just prefer simple, mess-free preparation techniques, cannabis tinctures are a great DIY project. You can make a tincture with a jar, alcohol, strainer, and cannabis. That’s all you need!

Using alcohol vs. glycerin for tinctures
When it comes to making tinctures, high-proof, food-grade alcohol is going to be your best friend. If you wish to avoid using alcohol, glycerin, a plant-based oil, is an acceptable replacement. However, glycerin is not as efficient at bonding to cannabis compounds and will produce a less potent tincture.

Some people try to make a more potent glycerin tincture by first using alcohol, carefully evaporating the (very flammable) alcohol off of the tincture, and then introducing glycerin afterward. You get the potency of the alcohol with the glycerin body. Considering the dangers associated with evaporating alcohol with a heat source, we at Leafly do not recommend this method.

Choosing the right type of alcohol for tinctures
The goal is to find a high-proof alcohol that is safe for consumption. The higher the alcohol content, the better it will dissolve cannabis resin. Everclear is my alcohol of choice when making a tincture, as it is both safe to consume and highly potent.


Products like isopropyl alcohol are not intended to be consumed and should never be used when making a tincture—save that for cleaning your pipes!

Making the tincture
To keep it simple, I like to use this ratio when making a tincture: For every ounce of cannabis flower, use one 750 mL bottle of alcohol (for an eighth of weed, that’s about 3 fluid oz).

This produces a mild effect, great for microdosing. If you want a more potent tincture, reduce the amount of alcohol by a third until you hit your desired potency.

  • Step 1: Decarboxylate your cannabis flower or concentrate (if you’re using flower, grind it to a fine consistency).
  • Step 2: Mix your flower or concentrate in a mason jar with high-proof alcohol (preferably Everclear).
  • Step 3: Close the jar and let it sit for a few weeks, shaking it once a day.
  • Step 4: After a few weeks, strain it through a coffee filter.
And if you don’t feel like waiting several weeks, you can even get away with shaking it for 3 minutes, straining, and storing.

How to dose and consume cannabis tinctures

It’s important to be consistent when making tinctures. If you make two batches at different strengths, a dose from each won’t be the same. Write down how much alcohol and cannabis you use for each batch so it can be replicated again if it was to your liking.

Once you’ve made the tincture, dosages are easy to self-titrate, or measure. Start with 1 mL of your finished tincture and put it under your tongue. If you’re happy with the effects, you’re done.


Otherwise, ramp up your dosage slowly to avoid getting uncomfortably high—try 2 mL the next day, and so on, until you find the dose you’re happy with.

According to The Herbal Medicine-Maker’s Handbook, cannabis tinctures will last for many years when stored in a cool, dark place. Their long shelf life means you can make large quantities of them in one sitting.

Compared to the traditional cannabis-infused brownie, tinctures are a low calorie alternative. If you make a tincture with 190 proof alcohol, you’re looking at about 7 calories per mL.

Cannabis tinctures can be incorporated into all sorts of meals and drinks:

  • Juices
  • Ice creams and sherbets
  • Soups
  • Gelatin
  • Mashed potatoes and gravy
  • Salad dressing
I like to add some cannabis oil to my homemade chicken tikka masala for a delicious infused dinner.

Benefits of using cannabis tinctures
Tinctures are especially great for first-time cannabis consumers. Here are some reasons why:

  • They’re discrete. Has there ever been a moment in your life when you said to yourself, “I really wish I smelled more like weed smoke right now?” Me neither. Consuming a tincture allows you to avoid the smell while enjoying all the benefits of cannabis. It is also super easy to conceal in a small jar in your bag.
  • Fast onset of effects. Effects from a cannabis tincture set in rather quickly. Whereas cannabis edibles can take an hour or more to kick in, tinctures can be felt in as little as 15 minutes. This allows you to quickly understand how the cannabis is affecting you before you move onto other activities.
  • Easy to dose. Tinctures are the perfect product for finding your preferred dose! You can measure your dose with an eyedropper and increase, decrease, or let it ride.
Cannabis tincture FAQs
How do I take my tincture?
Cannabis tinctures are usually taken by putting a few drops under your tongue (sublingually). When taken this way, the arterial blood supply under your tongue rapidly absorbs the THC. That being said, you can always swallow the tincture in a drink or food, but it will be absorbed slower by your liver.

Do tinctures burn under your tongue?
Some people have reported experiencing a burning sensation under their tongue after a few drops of tincture—the high-proof alcohol used to make a tincture is responsible for this. If the tincture burns under your tongue and you are looking for a different option, you can get a glycerin-based tincture or incorporate your tincture into a beverage.

How long does a cannabis tincture take to kick in?
When dosing a tincture sublingually, expect to feel the effects in 15-45 minutes and reach your peak high at about 90 minutes. If you simply drink the dose, expect a slower onset that more closely resembles traditional edibles.

How long will I feel the effects of a cannabis tincture?
Expect to be high longer than when you smoke or vaporize, but shorter than when you eat a butter or oil-based edible.

Cannabis tincture guide summary
Tinctures are alcohol based cannabis extracts. They’re a great entry point for both medical and recreational consumers looking for a smokeless method of consumption. Tinctures are easy to measure for dosing. Start with one eye dropper full under your tongue. When taken under the tongue, also called sublingually, effects should come on within the hour.

If you drink your tincture or add it to food, effects can take up to two hours to come on – more like edibles. If you’re happy with the effects, you’re done. If you’d like more, take it one eyedropper at a time. Always remember because it could take up to two hours to feel effects, the golden rule when ingesting cannabis is to start small and be patient. That way, you don’t end up uncomfortably high.

However you ingest a tincture, you can expect to feel the effects for longer than you smoked or vaporized cannabis. Tinctures will last for many years when stored in a cool, dark location. The long shelf life means you can make big batches of your own and have a convenient and accurate way to consume cannabis when you want to.
 
Hi Folks.
First time posting here with a question about the GD I just whipped up using the technique in the original post (more or less).
This is my first attempt at making GD and I think it went reasonably well.
Now after about a week of sitting in the fridge, I've noticed some very fine sediment at the bottom of the bottle and I'm wondering if I should strain it further to get rid of the sediment, or if that sediment is a necessary part of the tincture.

I modified the measurements a bit and was only able to find some 50% alcohol commercial moonshine to use in the process.
Anyway.... Decarbed an ounce and a half of my "B-stash" (bud trimmings and bottom flowers), put it in a jar and poured the 26er of shine over it. I placed it in a hot water bath and brought it up to 170 degrees F and reduced it at that temp for about an hour or longer (I guess a higher alcohol percentage would reduce more quickly)

After straining the mixture through a coffee filter, I was left with about 15 ounces of a much darker brown liquid than I had expected... almost opaque, but it will let some light through if you hold it up to a bright lamp or the sun.

So my question is this: Should I just leave the sediment in and give it a shake before I use it, or should I give it the coffee filter treatment again? Does removing this sediment reduce the potency of the tincture?

I've tried the GD on myself and it seems to be all right. It tastes floral/ herbal, like decarbed bud, and the effects seem mild and pleasant to me, but I've always been hard to dose with edibles, ( I'm the guy who needs to eat 3 or 4 cookies to catch a buzz when others get couched by just one or two )

Any insight and advice is appreciated.
Thanks.

.....And yes that is indeed a re-purposed maple syrup bottle with the swing top stopper, in case anyone was wondering.
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Welcome to the asylum @LocoMojo :smile:

Now after about a week of sitting in the fridge, I've noticed some very fine sediment at the bottom of the bottle and I'm wondering if I should strain it further to get rid of the sediment, or if that sediment is a necessary part of the tincture.
No it is not a 'necessary' part of the tincture. It adds nothing, but hurts nothing. It's totally up to you if you want to strain it again, but my fear is that in doing so you could lose some oil. I wouldn't bother unless theres a lot. Looking at your pictures, it appears there may be sediment up to the 'T.H.C.' that's written on the bottle. Is that how much is in there? Or is that an optical illusion?
 
Welcome to the asylum @LocoMojo :smile:


No it is not a 'necessary' part of the tincture. It adds nothing, but hurts nothing. It's totally up to you if you want to strain it again, but my fear is that in doing so you could lose some oil. I wouldn't bother unless theres a lot. Looking at your pictures, it appears there may be sediment up to the 'T.H.C.' that's written on the bottle. Is that how much is in there? Or is that an optical illusion?
Thanks for the welcome and for the fast response.

The picture is accurate, no optical illusions.
The sediment seems to be thickest at the very bottom and thins out a bit as it reaches up to the "T.H.C." mark on the bottle. Above that mark, there is no visible sediment.
Is that considered "a lot"?
I realize a picture isn't the same as having the bottle in front of you to look at, but I'm wondering if the opacity and color looks about right to someone with more experience than me.

Since this is my first attempt at making or using Green Dragon, I don't really have a solid, practical frame of reference yet. I think I'm pretty happy with my end product here, and I'm sure I'll gain more confidence in the process and with the end product after another attempt or two and a little more experience.

I appreciate the original post and your feedback.
This has been a fun and productive experiment. I'm already looking forward to the next attempt, though I expect this bottle will last quite a while.


Cheers.
 
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I've never made Green Dragon
But looking at that it is similar looking to when I winterise my feco and it has been in the freezer a few days or more
The white looking stuff is what gets caught in the filtering
In my case I think it is the wax and chlorophyll etc and any plant material left we are winterising to catch

Maybe Chuck it in the the freezer for a few days and run through coffee filters
I never seem to lose too much doing this
Just put the funnel in the freezer beforehand and prewet the filters with iso or alcohol so the oil/alcohol mixture runs through freely and the filters only catch the contaminants not soak up oil

As I said I haven't made GD before but am commenting on my experience with feco and on your pictures
It may or may not be the best thing for you to do
However I would from what I see probably winterise and filter to get a cleaner product

I think in a way the process is the same with GD as feco without the final purge
No experience or major research has gone into this theory tho so grain of salt type thing
 
I've never made Green Dragon
But looking at that it is similar looking to when I winterise my feco and it has been in the freezer a few days or more
The white looking stuff is what gets caught in the filtering
In my case I think it is the wax and chlorophyll etc and any plant material left we are winterising to catch

Maybe Chuck it in the the freezer for a few days and run through coffee filters
I never seem to lose too much doing this
Just put the funnel in the freezer beforehand and prewet the filters with iso or alcohol so the oil/alcohol mixture runs through freely and the filters only catch the contaminants not soak up oil

As I said I haven't made GD before but am commenting on my experience with feco and on your pictures
It may or may not be the best thing for you to do
However I would from what I see probably winterise and filter to get a cleaner product

I think in a way the process is the same with GD as feco without the final purge
No experience or major research has gone into this theory tho so grain of salt type thing
Hey, thanks for the input.

I've never tried to make feco before, I even had to look up WTF you were talking about. Now I can add that to the list of things I have learned since I began looking into this whole process.

I'm unclear on one thing though, When you say you "winterize" your feco, does that mean just sticking it into the freezer for a while? If that's the case, I wonder what is the purpose for "winterizing"? What difference does the freezing temperature make in the filtering process?
Forgive my ignorance if I'm just missing a basic chemistry principle here.

Pre wetting the filters with alcohol seems like a good idea that I hadn't thought of previously. thanks for that pearl of wisdom.
 
Hey, thanks for the input.

I've never tried to make feco before, I even had to look up WTF you were talking about. Now I can add that to the list of things I have learned since I began looking into this whole process.

I'm unclear on one thing though, When you say you "winterize" your feco, does that mean just sticking it into the freezer for a while? If that's the case, I wonder what is the purpose for "winterizing"? What difference does the freezing temperature make in the filtering process?
Forgive my ignorance if I'm just missing a basic chemistry principle here.

Pre wetting the filters with alcohol seems like a good idea that I hadn't thought of previously. thanks for that pearl of wisdom.
Winterisation helps to seperate the waxes and chlorophyll etc
It freezes these extra substances making it easier for the filters to catch whilst keeping the oil/alcohol mixture together

This is why it's important to freeze the funnel also so that everything stays cold during the filtration process and it doesn't melt the waxes etc

In the case of feco it gives you a much cleaner and more pure final product
I never used to winterise until more recent times and it really makes difference to the final product and overall quality

Yes if you just stick the alcohol/oil mixture into the freezer for 3-5 days it will do the job for you
Then filter as described above keeping everything cold and replacing the mixture in freezer between filter fills
 
2. Place in a shallow pan (a sheet of aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 5 minutes.

Hi guys - I'm wondering about this decarb step because it's the shortest amount of oven time I've ever seen. Usually I see a bit of a lower temp with a time of about 20-30 minutes. Is this reduced time due to the higher temp or does the boil-down of the EC in the water bath provide additional decarboxilization ?

THANKS!!
 
Hi guys - I'm wondering about this decarb step because it's the shortest amount of oven time I've ever seen. Usually I see a bit of a lower temp with a time of about 20-30 minutes. Is this reduced time due to the higher temp or does the boil-down of the EC in the water bath provide additional decarboxilization ?

THANKS!!
I've always thought the same. I'm thinking that the next step of adding it to the rum and then letting it simmer in a water bath at 170℉ for 20 minutes must finish the decarb process.
 

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