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Meds Cannabis and Pain

My primary asked me once if I thought cannabis was an effective pain killer....I had to think about it for a minute and I told her that in my opinion it wasn't a "killer" as in remove all pain, but that it made the pain remote and bearable. She looked at me funny so I also told her in my opinion, narcotics also don't kill the pain, they just make it remote (as in very remote as I lay on couch drooling and trying not to heave or nod off).

I have gone from being a regular consumer of narcotics to now only taking them on an exception basis....usually when I still think I'm 28 y.o. and overdue it and my back makes me pay a high price. Maybe 6 -10 times a year.

I have also been able to cut out my dependency on Advil, which is not a good drug for a cardiac patient, and while I have more inflamation than with it, its certainly less that without MMJ. I used to take a minimum of 800 mg of Advil EVERY night of my life. Now, maybe once every two weeks.

Same with muscle relaxers....those I take maybe 20-30 times a year, but previously it was a 15 mg oxycodone and a 10 mg Valium washed down with your drink of choice.

MMJ is a GREAT solution for me and many others and I am absolute militant about opposing self-righteous prohibitionists and toady, suck up politicians who have no core values and think advocating for prohibition will get them votes (fucking assholes, each and every one).
 
My primary asked me once if I thought cannabis was an effective pain killer....I had to think about it for a minute and I told her that in my opinion it wasn't a "killer" as in remove all pain, but that it made the pain remote and bearable. She looked at me funny so I also told her in my opinion, narcotics also don't kill the pain, they just make it remote (as in very remote as I lay on couch drooling and trying not to heave or nod off).

I have gone from being a regular consumer of narcotics to now only taking them on an exception basis....usually when I still think I'm 28 y.o. and overdue it and my back makes me pay a high price. Maybe 6 -10 times a year.

I have also been able to cut out my dependency on Advil, which is not a good drug for a cardiac patient, and while I have more inflamation than with it, its certainly less that without MMJ. I used to take a minimum of 800 mg of Advil EVERY night of my life. Now, maybe once every two weeks.

Same with muscle relaxers....those I take maybe 20-30 times a year, but previously it was a 15 mg oxycodone and a 10 mg Valium washed down with your drink of choice.

MMJ is a GREAT solution for me and many others and I am absolute militant about opposing self-righteous prohibitionists and toady, suck up politicians who have no core values and think advocating for prohibition will get them votes (fucking assholes, each and every one).
That was a very nice read!
AMBEIN C. and 5 other drug's were given to me?

CANNABIS is natural and the side effect is non-existant in my case. (drug's are not needed in my case)

We all have various need's.

I have this VAPORIZER I leave on and use a lot.
@Baron23 gave me a couple of GonG's for it.
For me it meant a lot.

Before it was RECREATIONAL.
Now daz it's MEDICAL!

Whatever you use it for?

CANNABIS = CIVIL CONSUMPTION
 
AMBEIN C. and 5 other drug's were given to me?

Fuck Ambien (zolpidem). They tried that for me for sleep and Gabapentin and Lyrica. Ambien will make you into a no-memory zombie while Lyrica...well, the side effects are legion.

I won't take that shit. Oh, I take half of an Ambien once in a while...usually when on the road sleeping in a hotel bed. But that stuff is shit, mate....real poison and lots of folks take it daily.
 
Fuck Ambien (zolpidem). They tried that for me for sleep and Gabapentin and Lyrica. Ambien will make you into a no-memory zombie while Lyrica...well, the side effects are legion.

I won't take that shit. Oh, I take half of an Ambien once in a while...usually when on the road sleeping in a hotel bed. But that stuff is shit, mate....real poison and lots of folks take it daily.
I do much better without drug's?

LYCRIA almost killed my daughter?

CANNABIS is the best MEDICINE in many cases!
 
These drugs change who you are.
I can tell a difference just taking one. My patience level goes way down and I have 'attitude.'

They have their purpose. But I much prefer to stay off of them. What they do to my head and my internals just isn't good. The green miracle works much better for daily pain and misery (for me).
 
The Biology of Cannabis vs. Opioids for Pain Relief
ASHLEY AUERBACH July 31, 2017

Cannabis and opioids are both known for their analgesic, pain-relieving effects. However, opioids are highly addictive—between 1999 and 2014, sales of prescription opioids in the United States quadrupled, with staggering increases in overdoses. In the healthcare system, 49% of patients seeking treatment for pain leave with a prescription. Because the risk of addiction and overdose associated with opioids is so great, finding a drug substitute with less abuse potential is critical.


Amanda Reiman, manager of Marijuana Law and Policy at the Drug Policy Alliance, defines substitution as a “conscious choice to use one drug (legal or illicit) instead of, or in conjunction with, another due to issues such as: perceived safety; level of addiction potential; effectiveness in relieving symptoms; access and level of acceptance.”

It’s important to take these factors into consideration when determining the substitution potential of cannabis. The ideal substitute will perform better than the previous medication by being more safe, effective, and accessible, while also being less addictive.

States That Legalized Medical Cannabis Show Decreased Opioid Use
There is already evidence that cannabis is used to substitute opioids. In the United States, total prescription drug spending in Medicare for both program and enrollee spending fell by $165 million per year in 2013 after the implementation of several state medical cannabis laws. The most common reported drug substitution was opioids (32-36% of total substitutions), followed by benzodiazepines and antidepressants.

Data from self-reported studies show that cannabis is already being used to substitute some prescription drugs, and states with legalized medical cannabis have seen decreases in prescription drug rates. Biologically speaking, though, what makes medical cannabis effective for pain relief and a possible substitute for prescription opioids?

Why Can Medical Cannabis Be an Effective Opioid Substitute?
Opioids and THC have analgesic effects because they block pain signals in our nervous system. THC is a plant cannabinoid, most commonly known for its psychoactive effects and causing the “high” associated with cannabis consumption. The THC cannabinoid binds to the CB1 and CB2 receptors of the endocannabinoid system, while opioids bind to opioid receptors.

CBD is another cannabinoid that is known for its therapeutic effects. It binds to many different receptors in the brain and can lessen the effects of THC. Evidence suggests CBD can reduce drug cravings and opioid withdrawal symptoms, which suggests CBD could be an effective treatment to opioid addiction.

Opioids and THC in combination offer comparable pain-relieving effects compared to opioids alone. This interaction can be used to reduce opioid doses for pain management and slowly wean patients off opioid medications altogether as they switch to cannabis-based treatments.

Cannabis and Opioids Together Offer Greater Pain Relief at Lower Doses
Several studies indicate that cannabis interacts with opioids and alters the associated pain-relieving effects. When co-administered, patients can use a lower dose of opioids and achieve the same level of pain relief, thereby reducing the risk of side effects and addiction.

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Figure 1: When THC and prescription opioids are co-administered, the same level of pain relief is achieved with lower opioid dosage. This can prevent some of the negative side effects of opioid treatment and allow patients to reduce opioid use. (Photo credit: Amy Phung/Leafly)

Cannabinoid and opioid pain-relieving effects both work by binding to receptors at the surface of cells and setting off a sequence of events in the cell that result in no pain signal release. The parallel mechanisms of action for opioids and cannabis allow for effective pain relief with co-administration.

For these reasons, cannabis is believed to supplement the effectiveness of opioids in pain management. When THC and morphine are used together, for example, the same level of pain relief is observed at lower doses compared to morphine treatments alone.

If implemented, this treatment method could be effective in reducing opioid use and the associated negative side effects. Patients could start taking smaller doses of opioids to avoid addiction and relapse, since the addition of THC would provide comparable pain relief. This has the potential to effectively wean patients off their opioid regimen. Further research is needed to determine the exact mechanisms of interaction between opioids and cannabinoids, and to investigate new treatment plans for patients seeking improved chronic pain management.

Cannabidiol (CBD) Reduces Negative Side Effects of Opioids
Drug cravings are a major cause of relapse and a symptom of addiction. However, current treatments are often ineffective at preventing relapse events from occurring. Cannabis could be used to effectively reduce drug cravings and the chance of relapse.

Researchers are investigating CBD as a possible treatment for addiction. Animal and human studies show that CBD is non-addictive and reduces drug cravings. CBD could also be used to treat withdrawal by reducing pain, anxiety, and mood symptoms.

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Figure 2: CBD treatment can reduce the chance of relapse for those struggling with drug addiction by altering the withdrawal and drug abstinence phases. Symptoms of withdrawal will be treated, decreasing pain, anxiety, and mood symptoms. CBD can promote drug abstinence by reducing drug craving through suppression of the reward system of the brain. (Photo credit: Amy Phung/Leafly)

CBD could help break the cycle of addiction by preventing relapse and treating withdrawal symptoms. With the heavy use of prescription opioids in the United States, this could help treat addiction and drug abuse, reduce risk of overdose, and lower prescription rates of opioids.

Possible Solutions for the Opioid Epidemic
With the opioid epidemic in full swing, finding a solution to this problem has become more urgent. The most helpful option would be to implement a drug substitution program, finding something that has comparable therapeutic effects with the least amount of side effects possible. Medical cannabis may be a good substitute for prescription opioids because it has similar symptom-relieving effects, especially for chronic pain.

In legalized medical cannabis states, substituting opioids with cannabis and decreasing opioid overdose deaths have already been observed. Cannabis can be used to wean patients off their current opioid regimen and provide pain relief that is comparable to opioid treatment. There is the potential to fight addiction with CBD, reducing drug cravings and symptoms of withdrawal. More research is needed to identify specific treatment plans for pain relief and drug addiction, but it’s possible that a mixture of THC and CBD could be an effective medication against chronic pain and opioid drug dependence.



Sources:
Bradford, A.C., & Bradford, W.D. (2016). Medical marijuana laws reduce prescription medication use in medicare part d. Health Affairs, 35(7), 1230-1236 [PDF]
D I Abrams, et al. (2011). Cannabinoid–Opioid Interaction in Chronic Pain. Clinical Pharmacology &Amp; Therapeutics, vol. 90, no. 6, pp. 844–51. [PDF]
Reiman, A. (2009). Cannabis as a substitute for alcohol and other drugs. Harm Reduction Journal, 6, 35. [PDF]
Suzanne Nielsen, et al. (2017). Opioid-Sparing Effect of Cannabinoids: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis. Neuropsychopharmacology, vol. 42, no. 9, pp. 1752–1765. [PDF]
 

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Opioids Out, Marijuana In, Top Medical Research Journal Says
JAMA suggests that Americans use marijuana as a substitute for opiates.
By: Al Olson Dec 20, 2017

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One of the nation’s leading medical journals suggests that cannabis can be a helpful tool to combat America’s opioid addiction problem.

Since 1999, American overdose deaths involving opioids have quadrupled. Medical experts estimate that our nation’s abuse of opioids cost over $72 billion in health costs each year.

According to The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):

With the current nationwide epidemic of opioid abuse, dependence, and fatalities, clinicians are being asked by federal agencies and professional societies to control their prescribing of narcotic medications for pain. Federal guidelines emphasize tapering, discontinuing, and limiting initiation of these drugs except in provision of end-of-life care. Reducing reliance on opioids, however, is a massive task. According to one estimate, more than 650 000 opioid prescriptions are dispensed each day in the United States. Unless the nation develops an increased tolerance to chronic pain, reduction in opioid prescribing leaves a vacuum that will be filled with other therapies.

According to the JAMA article, “observational studies have found that state legalization of cannabis is associated with a decrease in opioid addiction and opioid-related overdose deaths. This premise merits careful attention.”

The article was co-written by Dr. Esther K. Choo, Sarah W. Feldstein Ewing and Travis I. Lovejoy.

The authors’ findings are not the first time medical researchers have come to this conclusion. A 2012 study from Canada concluded:

There is a growing body of evidence to support the use of medical cannabis as an adjunct to or substitute for prescription opiates in the treatment of chronic pain. … Despite a lack of regulatory oversight by federal governments in North America, community-based medical cannabis dispensaries have proven successful at supplying patients with a safe source of cannabis within an environment conducive to healing, and may be reducing the problematic use of pharmaceutical opiates and other potentially harmful substances in their communities.

A recent Time article, quotes Dr. Donald Abrams, chief of the Hematology-Oncology Division at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, concurring with JAMA‘s findings:

“If we could use cannabis, which is less addictive and harmful than opioids, to increase the effectiveness of pain treatment, I think it can make a difference during this epidemic of opioid abuse. We are hampered by the fact that it is still difficult to get funding for studies on cannabis as a therapeutic.”


 
Researchers target cannabinoid receptors with new line of pain‑relief products
December 18, 2017 by Margot Brunelle, Dalhousie University

As the clock ticks down to the July 1 deadline when recreational marijuana will be legalized in Canada, governments are scrambling and the controversy is mounting among those who want a say in how it will be grown, sold and regulated.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Canadians—people who are living with chronic pain—are wondering when their needs will be met. They are desperate for safe and effective pain treatments that will not turn them into drug addicts.

Pain specialists and scientists at Dalhousie Medical School are on the brink of answering that call. They've launched a company, Panag Pharma Inc., through which they're developing a list of non-addictive pain-relieving products containing cannabinoids and similar compounds found in cannabis and other plants.

An over-the-counter topical cream

The first of these products is a topical analgesic cream that targets aches and pains in muscles and joints close to the surface, making it ideal for such common afflictions as osteoarthritis.

"Topical creams are safer than oral medications and can target pain without the side effects of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories or other medications given systemically," notes pain specialist and professor Dr. Mary Lynch, president of Panag Pharma and director of research at the QEII Pain Management Clinic.

Known simply as Topical A OTC at this stage, the cream uses cannabinoids derived from clover and cloves—rather than cannabis—to target pathways involved in inflammation and pain. It also uses capsaicin—the compound that gives that spicy zing to chili peppers—to target other pain pathways.

"Because none of the ingredients is a controlled substance, people will be able to use the cream without a prescription," says Panag's chief scientific officer, Dr. Melanie Kelly, a professor in the departments of Pharmacology and Ophthalmology & Visual Sciences who's been studying cannabinoids and their receptors for more than 20 years. "Health Canada has approved it to be sold over the counter as a natural product; we hope to see it on the market in 2018."

Topical A OTC is currently being tested in a randomized, controlled clinical trial at the Nova Scotia Health Authority. The trial, led by anesthesiologist and assistant professor, Dr. Karim Mukhida, will test the cream's ability to relieve pain in patients with osteoarthritis of the knee.

A referral is not needed to join the trial; patients who want to learn more can contact Joan Falkenham (joan.falkenham@nshealth.ca, 902-473-1157).

Patient-driven research

Just a few years ago, the evidence supporting cannabinoid products for pain relief in humans was mostly anecdotal.


"It depends on who you ask," remarks Dr. Lynch, who's been interested in cannabinoid research for two decades—since patients began telling her that cannabis was giving them relief from chronic pain, without the side effects and addictive qualities of many pharmaceutical treatments they had tried.

"I always listen to my patients… they are my teachers," she says. "I wasn't skeptical—there was a growing body of evidence in the literature. Cannabinoids were proving profoundly analgesic in animal models of acute and especially chronic pain, both neuropathic and inflammatory."

Dr. Lynch wanted to learn more about the potential benefits for people, but there were relatively few clinical trials underway at the time because cannabis was (and still is) a controlled substance.

Despite the regulatory challenges, Drs. Lynch and Kelly and other Dalhousie researchers began exploring how cannabinoids do the job. Among this dedicated group were Dr. Orlando Hung, an anesthesiologist with a bent for inventing new drug delivery methods, and Dr. Christian Lehmann, an anesthesiologist with a particular interest in pre-clinical models of inflammation. They co-founded Panag Pharma Inc. with Drs. Lynch and Kelly and together they incorporated the company in January 2014.

The science behind cannabinoids and pain

THC, the cannabinoid that makes people high, is just one component of the cannabis plant.

"The cannabis plant has 600 active compounds, each with different effects," explains Dr. Kelly. "Based on our years of research, we've developed cannabinoid formulations that don't contain THC, so people can use them for their beneficial effects without experiencing a psychoactive high."

THC was isolated in 1964 by Israeli chemist Dr. Raphi Mechoulam. A longtime mentor to Dr. Lynch and her colleagues—and now an advisor to Panag Pharma—he has been on the forefront of medical marijuana research for more than 50 years. In fact, they adopted the name Panag Pharma for their company because "panag" is an ancient Hebrew word for cannabis.

As Dr. Lynch knows from talking to her patients, most people who are in pain don't want the psychotropic effects of THC—they just want to function normally, without pain.

American scientists took the first step to solving that conundrum in the 1990s, when they cloned the two main receptors in the human endocannabinoid system. The endocannabinoid system is the body's web of cannabinoid receptors, which are targets for cannabinoids found naturally in humans (and other animals). When a compound acts on these receptors, it can activate the system and trigger a release of pain-relieving chemicals. THC is just one phyto (plant) cannabinoid that can trigger the body's endocannabinoid receptors to provide this pain relief.

One of the non-THC compounds the researchers have studied intensely triggers cannabinoid 2 (CB2) receptors, the non-psychoactive endocannabinoid receptor found in the immune system.

"If we can activate endocannabinoid receptors in the immune system, we are not just alleviating pain, but reducing inflammation," Dr. Kelly explains. "This could offer long term relief by stopping the self-perpetuating cycle of inflammation and pain."

This is the compound the researchers have included in Panag's over-the-counter topical pain cream. They're utilizing its anti-inflammatory properties in another product (patent pending) for treating interstitial cystitis, a painful condition of the bladder.

Panag's researchers are also developing topical medications that target painful eye diseases. One of their patented medications contains a synthetic cannabinoid that activates another internal cannabinoidreceptor to treat inflammation of the front of the eye. At the same time, they're developing an eye treatment using the non-addictive phytocannabinoid known as CBD (cannabidiol), to help people suffering from conditions such as dry eye.

A changing and challenging reality

The fact that many of Panag's products contain synthetic cannabinoids, and cannabinoids derived from such plants as cloves and clover, does not mean the researchers are turning their backs on cannabinoids from the cannabis plant.

"Cannabinoids from the cannabis plant might provoke stronger reactions," Dr. Lynch reasons. "We are always looking for different combinations, new forms of delivery, the most efficient and effective way to provide long-lasting pain relief."

But don't get the wrong idea: there is no cannabis growing in the Dalhousie lab! The isolated active agents are bought from suppliers around the world and put into carefully calibrated formulations for controlled dosing with predictable effects.

And even though recreational marijuana will soon be legal in Canada, research for medical use of the plant is not getting any easier.

"Cannabinoids used in medical products require extra research and very high security for storage," notes Dr. Lynch. "We will have to go through the same regulatory steps and expect the same frustrating delays getting the supply we need to pursue the research."

"We don't know how Bill C-45 will change research," Dr. Kelly adds. "But we have to hold the course. We have good research at the pre-clinical level, and we have to follow through with the clinical research to provide the evidence."

In the meantime, thousands of people in pain continue to buy cannabis from dispensaries who bear no responsibility for proving the benefit of their product.

By pressing ahead with well-researched, precisely formulated and targeted products, Panag Pharma aims to offer safe, reliable and effective alternatives for a range of painful and inflammatory conditions—free of unwanted side effects.
 
"There are people and articles online recommending cannabis use for aches and pains. How far will the pain relieving abilities of cannabis topicals reach?"

I was happy to see that this article does NOT claim that topical cannabis can help back pain. In my experience, salves will work on muscle pain, and osteoarthritis in some cases, but usually does not work on anything skeletal. In cases where it has worked on arthritis, the bones are close to the skin (hands, ankles, knees).

Can You Treat Back Pain With Cannabis Topicals?

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There are several articles and products online that claim you can treat back pain with cannabis topicals. We’re here to make the capabilities of cannabis topicals clear as distillate. That way you can purchase the right cannabis products for your specific needs on the first try. We’ll get to the bottom of the question “can you treat back pain with cannabis topicals?”

What Are Cannabis Topicals Used For?
Some people believe cannabis topicals can be used for treating aches and pains. However, this wasn’t the original purpose of cannabis topicals. Most people use cannabis topicals to relieve localized pain or to treat dermatological conditions like eczema.

Rick Simpson claims to have made Rick Simpson Oil and used it as a topical to treat his skin cancer. He was motivated to try cannabis after hearing about a study on the antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids that was able to stunt tumor growth in mice. There is also researchon cannabinoids inhibiting cellular respiration of human oral cancer cells.

What The Experts Have To Say
Since there isn’t much research on cannabis topicals for aches and pains we turned to experts for answers. Dr. Jordan Tishler MD is a Harvard graduate, the CEO of InhaleMD, a member of the Massachusetts Patient Advocacy Alliance and CannaKorp boards.

He sees patients on a regular basis and has practiced as an Emergency Physician. During that time his observation that cannabis never caused an overdose sparked his interest in the safety and uses of cannabis in treatment.

Dr. Tishler regularly speaks on topics related to the medical applications of cannabis so we asked him a few questions about topicals.


There are people and articles online recommending cannabis use for aches and pains. How far will the pain relieving abilities of cannabis topicals reach?
There is definitive evidence that cannabinoids do not penetrate the skin. So it’s reasonable and there are studies to back using cannabis topicals for dermatologic issues like eczema. There is no reason to believe that topicals can be used for aches or any other sort of pain.

Science is complicated and expensive to do. This is because controlling the experiment is difficult and large numbers of subjects are needed. The placebo effect is very real and hard to avoid without really careful study design. This is why there are so many reporting benefits where there is no physiologic basis.

Are transdermal patches more effective for treating issues such as back pain?
Transdermal patches are complicated. Most medications do not readily cross the skin, just like cannabinoids. Pharmaceutical companies have developed methods to force these medications to penetrate, but those methods often lead to complications like rashes or skin hypersensitivity (pain).

Further, I question why we’d want to pursue patches considering the potential complications and the ready availability of methods that do not have these problems, like inhaled or oral.

So is it better to eat or inhale cannabis when seeking pain-relief?
This depends on the nature of the pain. For any pain that is episodic in nature, like a backache or a headache, inhaling is usually better. It’s quicker to work and also wears off after a moderate time so you can get back to whatever you have to do.

Orals have long and unpredictable time to onset so they make a lousy choice for acute needs. However, they have a longer duration of action. For patients who have constant, unremitting pain, they are best used by the clock to achieve a steady, baseline pain control. I always ask: if you were buzzed all the time, would you be better or worse off than you are with your pain now?


Final Hit: Can You Treat Back Pain With Cannabis Topicals?
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So topicals may have their uses for patients suffering from skin conditions like eczema but according to experts, there is no reason to believe that you can treat back pain with cannabis topicals.

Transdermal patches may offer a way to help the medicine penetrate the skin. In fact, research has shown transdermal cannabidiol reduced inflammation beyond the skin but the study was on rats. The limited research illustrates it has yet to achieve its full potential as an alternative to oral delivery. Transdermal patches are best for people that absolutely want to avoid smoking, eating or vaporizing cannabis at all costs.

Inhaling is one of the best methods for treating pain. Unrelenting chronic pain could be better treated by consuming edibles which will have effects that last longer than they would if you vaped or smoked cannabis instead.
 
"There are people and articles online recommending cannabis use for aches and pains. How far will the pain relieving abilities of cannabis topicals reach?"

I was happy to see that this article does NOT claim that topical cannabis can help back pain. In my experience, salves will work on muscle pain, and osteoarthritis in some cases, but usually does not work on anything skeletal. In cases where it has worked on arthritis, the bones are close to the skin (hands, ankles, knees).

Can You Treat Back Pain With Cannabis Topicals?

can-you-treat-back-pain-with-cannabis-topicals-hero.jpg



There are several articles and products online that claim you can treat back pain with cannabis topicals. We’re here to make the capabilities of cannabis topicals clear as distillate. That way you can purchase the right cannabis products for your specific needs on the first try. We’ll get to the bottom of the question “can you treat back pain with cannabis topicals?”

What Are Cannabis Topicals Used For?
Some people believe cannabis topicals can be used for treating aches and pains. However, this wasn’t the original purpose of cannabis topicals. Most people use cannabis topicals to relieve localized pain or to treat dermatological conditions like eczema.

Rick Simpson claims to have made Rick Simpson Oil and used it as a topical to treat his skin cancer. He was motivated to try cannabis after hearing about a study on the antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids that was able to stunt tumor growth in mice. There is also researchon cannabinoids inhibiting cellular respiration of human oral cancer cells.

What The Experts Have To Say
Since there isn’t much research on cannabis topicals for aches and pains we turned to experts for answers. Dr. Jordan Tishler MD is a Harvard graduate, the CEO of InhaleMD, a member of the Massachusetts Patient Advocacy Alliance and CannaKorp boards.

He sees patients on a regular basis and has practiced as an Emergency Physician. During that time his observation that cannabis never caused an overdose sparked his interest in the safety and uses of cannabis in treatment.

Dr. Tishler regularly speaks on topics related to the medical applications of cannabis so we asked him a few questions about topicals.


There are people and articles online recommending cannabis use for aches and pains. How far will the pain relieving abilities of cannabis topicals reach?
There is definitive evidence that cannabinoids do not penetrate the skin. So it’s reasonable and there are studies to back using cannabis topicals for dermatologic issues like eczema. There is no reason to believe that topicals can be used for aches or any other sort of pain.

Science is complicated and expensive to do. This is because controlling the experiment is difficult and large numbers of subjects are needed. The placebo effect is very real and hard to avoid without really careful study design. This is why there are so many reporting benefits where there is no physiologic basis.

Are transdermal patches more effective for treating issues such as back pain?
Transdermal patches are complicated. Most medications do not readily cross the skin, just like cannabinoids. Pharmaceutical companies have developed methods to force these medications to penetrate, but those methods often lead to complications like rashes or skin hypersensitivity (pain).

Further, I question why we’d want to pursue patches considering the potential complications and the ready availability of methods that do not have these problems, like inhaled or oral.

So is it better to eat or inhale cannabis when seeking pain-relief?
This depends on the nature of the pain. For any pain that is episodic in nature, like a backache or a headache, inhaling is usually better. It’s quicker to work and also wears off after a moderate time so you can get back to whatever you have to do.

Orals have long and unpredictable time to onset so they make a lousy choice for acute needs. However, they have a longer duration of action. For patients who have constant, unremitting pain, they are best used by the clock to achieve a steady, baseline pain control. I always ask: if you were buzzed all the time, would you be better or worse off than you are with your pain now?


Final Hit: Can You Treat Back Pain With Cannabis Topicals?
can-you-treat-back-pain-with-cannabis-topicals-1.jpg


So topicals may have their uses for patients suffering from skin conditions like eczema but according to experts, there is no reason to believe that you can treat back pain with cannabis topicals.

Transdermal patches may offer a way to help the medicine penetrate the skin. In fact, research has shown transdermal cannabidiol reduced inflammation beyond the skin but the study was on rats. The limited research illustrates it has yet to achieve its full potential as an alternative to oral delivery. Transdermal patches are best for people that absolutely want to avoid smoking, eating or vaporizing cannabis at all costs.

Inhaling is one of the best methods for treating pain. Unrelenting chronic pain could be better treated by consuming edibles which will have effects that last longer than they would if you vaped or smoked cannabis instead.
I've tried transdermals as a way to keep cannibinoids in my system longer throughout the night. IMO, its not an effective avenue for delivery. I just didn't find them to be very effective at all.
 
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"There are people and articles online recommending cannabis use for aches and pains. How far will the pain relieving abilities of cannabis topicals reach?"

I was happy to see that this article does NOT claim that topical cannabis can help back pain. In my experience, salves will work on muscle pain, and osteoarthritis in some cases, but usually does not work on anything skeletal. In cases where it has worked on arthritis, the bones are close to the skin (hands, ankles, knees).

Can You Treat Back Pain With Cannabis Topicals?

can-you-treat-back-pain-with-cannabis-topicals-hero.jpg



There are several articles and products online that claim you can treat back pain with cannabis topicals. We’re here to make the capabilities of cannabis topicals clear as distillate. That way you can purchase the right cannabis products for your specific needs on the first try. We’ll get to the bottom of the question “can you treat back pain with cannabis topicals?”

What Are Cannabis Topicals Used For?
Some people believe cannabis topicals can be used for treating aches and pains. However, this wasn’t the original purpose of cannabis topicals. Most people use cannabis topicals to relieve localized pain or to treat dermatological conditions like eczema.

Rick Simpson claims to have made Rick Simpson Oil and used it as a topical to treat his skin cancer. He was motivated to try cannabis after hearing about a study on the antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids that was able to stunt tumor growth in mice. There is also researchon cannabinoids inhibiting cellular respiration of human oral cancer cells.

What The Experts Have To Say
Since there isn’t much research on cannabis topicals for aches and pains we turned to experts for answers. Dr. Jordan Tishler MD is a Harvard graduate, the CEO of InhaleMD, a member of the Massachusetts Patient Advocacy Alliance and CannaKorp boards.

He sees patients on a regular basis and has practiced as an Emergency Physician. During that time his observation that cannabis never caused an overdose sparked his interest in the safety and uses of cannabis in treatment.

Dr. Tishler regularly speaks on topics related to the medical applications of cannabis so we asked him a few questions about topicals.


There are people and articles online recommending cannabis use for aches and pains. How far will the pain relieving abilities of cannabis topicals reach?
There is definitive evidence that cannabinoids do not penetrate the skin. So it’s reasonable and there are studies to back using cannabis topicals for dermatologic issues like eczema. There is no reason to believe that topicals can be used for aches or any other sort of pain.

Science is complicated and expensive to do. This is because controlling the experiment is difficult and large numbers of subjects are needed. The placebo effect is very real and hard to avoid without really careful study design. This is why there are so many reporting benefits where there is no physiologic basis.

Are transdermal patches more effective for treating issues such as back pain?
Transdermal patches are complicated. Most medications do not readily cross the skin, just like cannabinoids. Pharmaceutical companies have developed methods to force these medications to penetrate, but those methods often lead to complications like rashes or skin hypersensitivity (pain).

Further, I question why we’d want to pursue patches considering the potential complications and the ready availability of methods that do not have these problems, like inhaled or oral.

So is it better to eat or inhale cannabis when seeking pain-relief?
This depends on the nature of the pain. For any pain that is episodic in nature, like a backache or a headache, inhaling is usually better. It’s quicker to work and also wears off after a moderate time so you can get back to whatever you have to do.

Orals have long and unpredictable time to onset so they make a lousy choice for acute needs. However, they have a longer duration of action. For patients who have constant, unremitting pain, they are best used by the clock to achieve a steady, baseline pain control. I always ask: if you were buzzed all the time, would you be better or worse off than you are with your pain now?


Final Hit: Can You Treat Back Pain With Cannabis Topicals?
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So topicals may have their uses for patients suffering from skin conditions like eczema but according to experts, there is no reason to believe that you can treat back pain with cannabis topicals.

Transdermal patches may offer a way to help the medicine penetrate the skin. In fact, research has shown transdermal cannabidiol reduced inflammation beyond the skin but the study was on rats. The limited research illustrates it has yet to achieve its full potential as an alternative to oral delivery. Transdermal patches are best for people that absolutely want to avoid smoking, eating or vaporizing cannabis at all costs.

Inhaling is one of the best methods for treating pain. Unrelenting chronic pain could be better treated by consuming edibles which will have effects that last longer than they would if you vaped or smoked cannabis instead.

Hell yes you can! I made my own topical and it works great!
 
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Hell yes you can! I made my own topical and it works great!
It depends on the type pain though Vicki. I've made salve for years and have many people that swear by it. But every now and then I'll find someone who gets no benefit from using it at all. Nerve pain and skeletal pain are usually the ones that don't respond well. But for general aches and pains? It's fabulous.

I'm really glad you find relief from yours. :smile:
 
It depends on the type pain though Vicki. I've made salve for years and have many people that swear by it. But every now and then I'll find someone who gets no benefit from using it at all. Nerve pain and skeletal pain are usually the ones that don't respond well. But for general aches and pains? It's fabulous.

I'm really glad you find relief from yours. :smile:

I have skeletal pain throughout my spine and in my neck. Using the topical on the area of my worse spinal injury really helps take the edge off the pain for several hours. That’s so weird.
 
I have skeletal pain throughout my spine and in my neck. Using the topical on the area of my worse spinal injury really helps take the edge off the pain for several hours. That’s so weird.
What it might actually be helping is the inflammation around the skeletal area that's damaged. It has a sort of numbing effect I've found.
 
It depends on the type pain though Vicki. I've made salve for years and have many people that swear by it. But every now and then I'll find someone who gets no benefit from using it at all. Nerve pain and skeletal pain are usually the ones that don't respond well. But for general aches and pains? It's fabulous.

I'm really glad you find relief from yours. :smile:
As one who has benefited from Mom's expertise in salves, I did find that it worked well for elbow tendinitis but not my back pain which is indeed structural and neuropathic.

As far as the transdermal patches go, AFAIK they aren't like a lidocaine patch in that I don't believe that they are for topical application (that is, put on the spot that hurts). The Mary Medicinal transdermals we have here are to be put on a "vein rich area" like inside your wrist or on top of your foot and they are to meter THC/CBD into your blood stream.

I don't know anything about using patches topically, but I did find the pre-made patches I bought to just not be an effective nor transdermal transfer to be all that efficient of way to introduce cannibinoids into my system.

YMMV
 

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