Tips Cannabis simple syrup

[Tincandtoke]

I do if it's strong enough. That's the whole key.... I think you would need to do some serious reducing of your extracted material to get it that strong though. Like take it down to FECO level before mixing it into the syrup.

Sam is working on trying to determine the amount of mg that can be crammed (lack of a better word) into a set amount of alcohol
If/when there is an opening I may join him
Full disclosure, I drove him crazy with the syrup development
I was functioning in the 200-300mg area and my posting was atrocious
Normal is 25-50mg for me, so a lot of really bad stoner posting
Pissed off an entire forum with my silliness and at times incoherent thoughts
Right now I can dump several thousand mg into 100 ml of syrup

Off topic regarding mj and pain management
I should have included that my primary and cardiologist want my pain assessment to be chemical free
They do not oppose my mj use but would prefer my reports to be sober
They just do not comment on it period, my primary just smiles and shakes his head and is grateful I don't ask for opiates which I could easily justify
What a spot to be in, a semi illicit drug that does so much good but they cannot get behind because of the staggering ignorance of law makers and enforcers
Thanks for listening and ill try to keep the pm to a minimum, you do so much here
I still can't figure my phone out

 

[Tincandtoke]

Getting the engine cranking slowly
ABV in an immersion circulator per dev specs (180f/82c) for 12 hours
Done in time for morning coffee

Hoping for sleepy time tincture out of this
Cannalytics came out with a new test kit that is hopefully better than the one I have
I'll record all the TLC testing which should be good for a few laughs as I stumble my way to experience

 

[Tincandtoke]

Got my vaccine appointment for mid April!
Hopefully be able to go to the dispensary for different concentrates by myself by the end of May
Start exploring using concentrates in my tinctures

 

[Tincandtoke]

Just whipped up a batch of syrup to see how I do on my healing feet
This is a two stage filter instead of the four stage I typically do so there is more chlorophyll color and taste
It was water cured before it was decarbed so I'm hoping the cannabis taste will not be too strong
Some reading and feedback have taught me that some folks use the taste to determine if the product is infused
Still yucky to me!

 

[Tincandtoke]

Stage 4 of my filtering process
Made mom a very rough video for critique
Peach sorbet or gelato with some of this tincture
41g are crammed in there, even on the low end that's over 4000mg, probably higher

 

[Tincandtoke]

Doing some decarb for tincture production
Starting to like the Ardent FX
The lid appears to loosen with just about every decarb if the material has any moisture in it
The smell is next to nothing and the unit could go by a window with a fan venting out to pretty much eliminate it
Worst case scenario, late night decarb if you live in a one room unit
Have to research the moisture issue, may need to dry the flower out before the decarb
I like technology but I don't love it
That's my 420 rant on too much infused chocolate milk
My irresponsible spending posts are scattered through some threads and pm

 

[Tincandtoke]

New batches of tincture in various stages of production
Doubled the mg and will use half the syrup
Should get a filtering video out of this, maybe a small batch/ super concentrate one too

 

[Tincandtoke]

Still experiencing a little rust
I put 6 grams of 210S in the simple syrup when it should have been 3 grams since I was using half the syrup
Had to thin it out with fruit juice or it turns to jelly
My phone crapped out on me so I have to try and replace it, again
Lost a filtering video
The weekend is here! Yeah!.......not

Maybe my vape will show up

 

[Tincandtoke]

Back up to speed
Some pics as the train leaves the station
Turning this into syrup and should get some good video footage after I decarb a little more flower
So that will give me two regular extractions and I have enough ABV to perform an extraction
Going to try to set up for thin layer chromatography again to test the tincture, the chemicals used in the process are strong and there is ether present from what I have been told
There are new cannalytics kits which are easier to use and ill order one soon
Thought I might have help with this but looks like I'm going it alone, again, naturally (70s pop songs rolling around in my head)
Hope to put the ABV question to rest


Was hoping to edit this in

Here are two different strains
Cannot vouch for the names but the syrups were treated with activated charcoal and celite
The orange blossom got one heaping scientific spoon of charcoal
The watermelon lemonade got three heaping scientific spoons of charcoal
The color is roughly the same so I have to check the taste and potency
Trying the watermelon lemonade strain syrup now
Very slight floral note in the chocolate milk I made otherwise no noticeable cannabis taste
Tomorrow the orange blossom which may have some cannabis taste but may be a little more potent
Only one edible a day while I do this, got dosed earlier, wild ride trying to finish the syrup
I should wear gloves but.....

 

[Tincandtoke]

Just a note to myself
The above syrups were reduced from 300ml to 225ml
In typical stoner fashion I did not adjust the gums accordingly and got a very thick ( high viscosity ) syrup
Also I had to handle the syrup more and it was exposed to open air for a lot longer than intended
After 3 weeks I started to get crystallization and after 5 weeks I have some canna sugar candy
Not good for the syrup but strain them out and they are nice little canna candies
Did not think accidentally adding too much 210S would do anything more than over thicken the syrup but there is a small possibility it sped up the crystallization



Finished with my public flogging of the syrups on other sites
Should be several months before anymore posts
Kind of cyclical

 

[Tincandtoke]

The syrup is going into week 6
This one is crystallized a little
I think the sugar crystals and excess gums are leaving sediment in my mixture bases
This is a strawberry soda


Here is the strawberry flavoring below being filtered
Just filtered water, sugar and strawberries in a container for several days


The strawberry syrup had no noticeable separation
Tasted really good
Homemade is the best

 

[Greenwitch]

Could you point me in the direction of thc syrups using FECO? I've tried to search, but I cant find an answer.

 

[momofthegoons]

Could you point me in the direction of thc syrups using FECO? I've tried to search, but I cant find an answer.

Hi... and welcome to the asylum.

THC tincture, when reduced down, is considered FECO. So @Tincandtoke 's method would work for that too. You are basically 'reconstituting' the FECO by combining it with the sugar water for the syrup.

Now... you do not have to go through the filtration process that he does. He does this in an attempt to minimize, or eliminate, cannabis taste in the end product. If that doesn't matter to you, adding FECO or tincture to a basic simple syrup would work. You will need to heat it slightly and mix like crazy to get it combined.

I'm sure @Tincandtoke can also add to this. He's much more knowledgable about this than I am.

 

[Tincandtoke]

Could you point me in the direction of thc syrups using FECO? I've tried to search, but I cant find an answer

Just need more info from you

Are you looking for medicinal or recreational?
Are you looking to make an infused carrier at home (a carrier can be coconut oil or in my case simple syrup)
How do you want to use the product? As a syrup you can flavor or an oil/ fat you can add to a recipe?

This will help me better understand what you are asking

Ok here is my understanding of FECO
Full extract canna oil
To make FECO you combine an oil like coconut oil and flower/trim in an extraction process
Question about using heat in the extraction process because it can burn off some of the desirable compounds

Reduced tincture down to just cannabis oil is considered RSO (Rick Simpson oil)

I have read some confusing info about FECO and RSO, so telling us what you want to do with it will help
I'm medicinal and recreational

 

[momofthegoons]

Ok here is my understanding of FECO
Full extract canna oil
To make FECO you combine an oil like coconut oil and flower/trim in an extraction process
Question about using heat in the extraction process because it can burn off some of the desirable compounds

My understanding of FECO is a bit different.

I've always read that the main difference between RSO and FECO is the solvent used. Rather than try to verbalize this myself before I'm completely caffeinated... I'll quote cannabisnation.com:

Intro​

FECO (full extract cannabis oil) and RSO (Rick Simpson Oil) are highly-concentrated forms of cannabis in which the whole plant is extracted and used. This process offers a broad spectrum or full-spectrum representation of the full cannabinoid and terpene profile found in that cannabis strain or cultivar. The main difference between FECO and RSO ultimately boils down to the solvent used when the cannabis is processed during the extraction process.

Other than the choice of solvents used, the full extraction of cannabinoids for both RSO and FECO is roughly the same. The extraction process with solvents is relatively simple. Raw cannabis flower is placed in a solvent and the trichome heads in the liquid separate from the plant material. The solvent is then purged or evaporated off in a desiccator, vacuum pump, or vacuum oven which creates a pure resin extract.

What is FECO?​

The traditional method for FECO (full extract cannabis oil) uses ethanol to extract all the terpenes, cannabinoids, THC/CBD, and other beneficial elements found in cannabis. FECO is produced at low temperatures and is often extracted utilizing ethanol or CO2 as a solvent. Through the use of this process, more of the cannabinoids are retained in the remaining resin extract.

What is RSO?​

RSO (Rick Simpson Oil) on the other hand, uses naphtha. RSO is typically produced at higher temperatures and traditionally utilizes either alcohol or naphtha as a solvent. With high temperatures being used to boil off the solvent, many of the plant terpenes are lost in this process. However, RSO does typically retain a greater amount of chlorophyll and the less evaporative plant compounds. This can result in an end product with very high levels of cannabinoids.

 

[Tincandtoke]

My understanding of FECO is a bit different.

I've always read that the main difference between RSO and FECO is the solvent used. Rather than try to verbalize this myself before I'm completely caffeinated... I'll quote cannabisnation.com:

This is why I danced around this
There are clear definitions of FECO and RSO but the terms are interchangeable in a lot of posts and threads
I find folks often mean one term but use the other

I agree with Mom that they are similar but finding out what you are going to be doing with it can give a clear picture of what you want

When I was using the Magical Butter Machine the end product was called FECO by some folks
As I learned more I questioned this because I had decarbed the cannabis and the MBM had used heat in the extraction and blending process
Some folks who posted did not think this was FECO because of the application of heat
So this got into the argument of what is in the extraction and what constitutes full extraction
At this point my head exploded because the solvent being used and the heat application did not get addressed

Eventually as I developed the syrup recipe these terms became meaningless
Sorry, not a knock on the terms but the method I was using did not fit any definition
Always thought of it as RSO but members on different sites had a range of opinions

This subject was my first beat down on the internet during the syrup development
I got hammered for not doing my homework, rightfully so

So sticking with Moms posted definitions will give a better reference point
Then with input from the OP I can figure how to get them what they want or at least point them in a direction

 

[Tincandtoke]

This is going to be a long night
Hit reply to my own post



Here we go
Just a heads up Mom
When I was doing this it was spread across 5 or 6 sites so I could post without disrupting a community or bumping my threads
Your site is going to get it all so I'm not bumping my thread for selfish reasons I use the posts for reference a lot
First two pics are decarbed flower from a while ago, unsure how long it has been in the freezer (no harm done , perfectly fine for extraction)
On the left watermelon lemonade and in the middle is Gorilla Glue (my favorite strain and the best strain I've ever used in edibles!!!)
On the right is the syrup with too much 210S
7 weeks in and still "fluid" (I know I'm stretching)
Syrup was handled a lot after it was infused and the extra gums may have helped with the crystal formation
First time this has happened this early, usually use it up before it becomes a problem
This stuff was potent so it took a lot longer to consume

 

[Tincandtoke]

Filter pics 7/12



These are just reference pics for the filtering video
This is my versionn of stage 1 filtering
It is pretty thorough and removes quite a bit of the plant material
Plant waxes make it through but can be removed with a syringe draw down (partially) or a Buchner filtration run (near complete)
This is how I set the filtering up and the end product which is pretty well filtered

 

[Tincandtoke]

Finished single stage filter in the first pic
Next pics are the tincture after a night in the freezer
For 56g of bud very little wax
Doing this process in one pass saves tincture and reduces the chance of mistake or accidental dosing
This stage is fine for most of my recipes but the Isi whipper does better with the full filtration

 

[Tincandtoke]

Time stamp for authenticity
Makiing celite pucks for advanced filtering of the tincture



I run distilled water through the Buchner
Add the celite after adding the water to the top of the filter
Turn on the vacuum pump and give the mixture a slight stir as the vacuum draws the water through creating the puck
24-48 hour dry is recommended