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The flu killed young,healthy people.
They got hit with higher mortality than the elderly young and sick.
Absolutely not the same at all.
The virus will never go away,never stop mutating.
Gonna have to learn to get over the fear probably have to get some exposure same as every other disease ever.
The hysteria over a disease with a recovery rate of 99.75% per CDC is completely overboard and is causing far more harm than good.
The pandemic is over as the hysteria has been a political tool.
They are destroying your future and taking everything from you........the propaganda is blatant and obvious.
Please step back and just look at the hysterical rhetoric then look at over all death rates last year..........I say shenanigans.
Is it a real disease,yes.
Is it deadly to people with underlying conditions, yes.
Should we live in fear like cowards?
 
@Disrupt Yes, I was referring to we Americans acting like idiots back in 1918. How history is repeating itself 100 years later even if we should know better. We need to rely on science and remember our past history. There’s always been the science deniers.
 
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The virus will never go away,never stop mutating.
Gonna have to learn to get over the fear probably have to get some exposure same as every other disease ever.

Sadly, you're probably right. We had an opportunity to get the pandemic under control, but the ship of herd immunity has already sailed. If the vaccines are effective against severe and chronic disease caused by variants, that's probably an acceptable outcome. There's a shred of evidence for the former but none yet for the latter. Either way, we'll need to adapt to the reduced - but not eliminated - risk provided by vaccines that are already less efficactive by the time they're available, much like the seasonal flu vaccine.

IMO, the concerns over chronic disease aren't emphasized enough. Because SARS-CoV-2 is a new virus for humans, we don't yet know what the long-term effects of infection might be. Chronic disease appears to be unrelated to the severity of the acute phase and, unlike severe COVID, is observed more frequently in women and younger patients.

What If You Never Get Better From Covid-19?

Some patients could be living with the after effects for years to come. Recent research into another persistent, mysterious disease might help us understand how to treat them.

By Moises Velasquez-Manoff
Published Jan. 21, 2021Updated Jan. 26, 2021

When Mount Sinai Hospital opened its Center for Post-Covid Care in May, it was New York’s — and the country’s — first such facility. The doctors there expected to treat patients who had been severely ill or hospitalized. By that point, three months into the pandemic, they knew that the coronavirus could cause harm to many parts of the body beyond just the airways where infections most commonly begin...

Hundreds of patients, most of them women, showed up soon after the center’s doors opened. To the doctors’ surprise, however, many of them had experienced only mild cases of Covid-19. They hadn’t been hospitalized. They were relatively young and otherwise in good health, without the underlying conditions like obesity and diabetes that are known to make Covid-19 worse. And yet, months after their bodies had seemingly fought off the coronavirus, they still felt quite ill. “We’ve heard of illnesses, viral illnesses, that have a prolonged postviral phase,” Zijian Chen, the head of Mount Sinai’s recovery center, told me. “But these usually don’t last for the months and months that we see here. And because of that, we’re a little surprised that this is happening. It tells us how much we don’t know about this illness.” The center has now seen more than 1,600 patients.

These patients have labeled themselves “Covid long-haulers.” What they’re suffering from, they say, is “long Covid.” As a group, they report a strange hodgepodge of symptoms, including fatigue, pain, shortness of breath, light sensitivity, exercise intolerance, insomnia, hearts that race inexplicably, diarrhea and cramping, memory problems and a debilitating “brain fog” that can at times make it hard to put a cogent sentence together. In many cases, these symptoms continue unabated from the acute phase of the illness — as if, on some level, the infection never really went away. And for a subset of patients, new symptoms emerge later, as if a different illness has established itself in their bodies.

Despite the crippling symptoms, it’s often hard to figure out precisely what is wrong with patients like Lasic. Her blood work, for instance, has shown some signs of inflammation and elevated liver enzymes, but little else. “Many of these patients have had million-dollar work-ups, and nothing comes back abnormal,” says Dayna McCarthy, a rehabilitation specialist at Mount Sinai. Hearts, lungs, brains — all appear to be functioning normally. Among the only things that can be said with any certainty about these patients is that they recently received a diagnosis of Covid-19...

At Mount Sinai, most patients improve with time, McCarthy told me. But the improvements can be maddeningly slow. And they’re not universal. A small minority hasn’t improved in the many months since the first wave of the pandemic crashed into New York City, she says. Some patients, including a few doctors and nurses, can no longer work, because they are too fatigued or have trouble focusing. Others have lost their jobs but can’t get disability benefits because, subjective reports of misery aside, doctors can find nothing wrong with them. “Initially this was sold as a virus infection that only affects the elderly, and that is absolutely not the case,” McCarthy says. “I can’t think of anything worse than this type of symptomology that affects young people.”

Zijian Chen estimates that about 10 percent of Covid-19 patients end up developing symptoms that persist for months and months — a number that would equate to roughly 100,000 chronically sick people in New York State alone. Some surveys suggest the number is higher. A study from Ireland found that more than half of Covid patients, whether they’d been hospitalized or not, reported fatigue 10 weeks out; nearly a third hadn’t returned to work. In another study, from the Faroe Islands, about half the patients with mild cases had at least one symptom 18 weeks later. A third, much larger study, from China, reported that three-quarters of those patients who were hospitalized with Covid-19 and then discharged still experienced at least one symptom six months later.

For many doctors, the strange symptomology of long Covid calls to mind another mysterious, poorly understood condition: myalgic encephalomyelitis, more familiarly known as chronic fatigue syndrome. ME/CFS, as it is often abbreviated, is defined by the presence of certain symptoms, including debilitating fatigue and unrefreshing sleep, that last for six months or longer. ME/CFS-like syndromes have been linked with infections for more than a century — including, most recently, those caused by the viruses responsible for the SARS and H1N1 pandemics in 2003 and 2009. Chiefly because of this association, several ME/CFS experts told me that they anticipate a wave of new patients — long-haulers who, because their symptoms are severe enough and last for six months or longer, will essentially be ME/CFS patients whether they receive the diagnosis or not...

The underlying biology of ME/CFS is poorly understood. Certain doctors long dismissed it as a psychological phenomenon, in part because no one could figure out what caused it. For this and other reasons, research into the syndrome has, in the view of many, not been commensurate with the great costs it exacts — tens of billions of dollars yearly in medical bills and lost productivity, to say nothing of the many lives spent hidden away, sometimes bedbound, in darkened rooms.

These days, though, the medical community increasingly accepts the condition as real, and doctors have even made some headway in managing its symptoms. No one yet knows what the relationship between long Covid and ME/CFS — itself an imprecise diagnosis — will prove to be. But some experts think recent advances in the study of ME/CFS, inconsistent and inconclusive though our understanding of it remains, may provide insight into what ails long-haulers and how to treat them. In the process, that research might also shed light on an enduring medical conundrum: Why do certain infections, even as they resolve in most cases, become a protracted, debilitating ordeal for a small group of unlucky patients?...

Scientists invariably mention the possibility that ongoing inflammation and perhaps autoimmune processes that result from having fought off the virus could drive the strange constellation of symptoms. Avindra Nath, clinical director of the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, told me that when fighting a pathogen, the immune system sometimes conducts a very precise and surgical attack, working like a guided missile. But when that approach fails, it can begin “blanket bombing,” as he puts it. Once the infection is gone, tamping down the resulting firestorm can prove challenging. “You have persistent immune activation,” he says. And that lingering inflammation could drive many symptoms.

This notion that infection can unbalance the immune system has often been invoked to explain the onset of autoimmune diseases — conditions in which the immune system attacks the very body it’s meant to protect. Multiple sclerosis, for example, has long been associated with infection by the herpesvirus Epstein-Barr. Rheumatic fever, a potentially deadly autoimmune inflammation of the heart and brain, is caused by a strain of the same streptococcus bacterium that we know from “strep” throat. A form of autoimmune arthritis can erupt in human knees and other joints after infection by the bacterium that causes Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi.
In recent years, scientists have come to realize that the symptoms of certain autoimmune diseases can even mimic psychiatric disorders. In anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis, for example, the immune system attacks glutamate receptors on neurons in the brain, sometimes provoking behavior that resembles what’s seen in schizophrenia. It, too, can be triggered by viral infection. (It’s treatable.) There’s also a pediatric condition that is similar to obsessive-compulsive disorder called pediatric acute-onset neuropsychiatric syndrome, or PANS, that many think can be set off by infection.

Certainly there is abundant evidence that the coronavirus can goad the immune system into overreaction during the acute phase of infection. Some children (and adults) develop a multisystem inflammatory syndrome. Scattered reports suggest that the virus might trigger Guillain-Barré syndrome, a frightening autoimmune condition in which patients develop full or partial paralysis (though most eventually recover). Some scientists have suggested that an exaggerated immune response to the coronavirus, rather than the damage directly inflicted by it, is responsible for many Covid deaths. This sort of self-destruction is often described as a “cytokine storm.”

Ignacio Sanz, an immunologist at Emory University, and his colleagues recently described more granular evidence of this self-attack in Covid-19. Compared with a healthy control group, they discovered, severe Covid-19 patients display high levels of antibodies directed at their own tissues — antibodies usually seen in lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, two autoimmune diseases. This does not necessarily mean that these patients have an autoimmune condition, Sanz stresses. Those same antibodies are found in healthy people. But not only are the levels of these antibodies relatively high in severe Covid-19; the cells that produce them also appear to be even more primed for aggression than they are in autoimmune disease. In his view, this dynamic hints at an immune system pushed into overdrive. Sanz suspects that in people who already have a propensity to develop autoimmune disorders, the virus may tip their immune systems into overt autoimmune disease.
The fact that most long-Covid patients are women may be an important clue in support of this hunch. In general, women are more likely than men to develop autoimmune disease. Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale, has found that female Covid patients tend to mount a stronger response to the virus from T cells, which help defend against microbial invaders, than their male counterparts. Testosterone is a slight immune suppressant, which may explain this disparity between women and men — and perhaps why men are more likely to die from Covid-19. (The female members of many species outlive the males, possibly because they have superior immune systems.) But one disadvantage of a more forceful immune response may be a greater propensity to attack the self. “Women survive this,” Iwasaki says, “but maybe there’s a cost.”

Iwasaki and her colleague Aaron Ring have, like Sanz, also identified what seems to be immune misfiring in Covid-19. But instead of looking for antibodies already associated with autoimmune disease, they used a new technique to search for any antibody, including previously unidentified ones, that might bind with some 3,000 proteins — out of tens of thousands — produced in humans. Their findings, reported in a December preprint, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggest a widespread autoimmune attack. Compared with subjects from the healthy control group, severe Covid-19 patients had elevated levels of antibodies directed at dozens of tissues, including the brain, the lining of blood vessels and components of the immune system itself.

Why some infections might cause the immune system to attack the body in certain individuals but not others is a longstanding medical mystery. It may be that proteins on the invading microbe resemble tissue in the human body, and that in pursuing the invader, some people’s immune systems accidentally attack similar molecules in their own organs. This idea is called molecular mimicry.

But Ring told me that the sheer number and variety of self-directed antibodies he and Iwasaki discovered suggest some other process gone awry. Some antibodies they observed were directed at virus-fighting components of the immune system itself, and Iwasaki posits a “vicious cycle” that begins with the immune system attacking itself, undercutting its own antiviral response. The body tries to compensate by ramping up other defenses, but these aren’t well suited to fighting viruses and cause extensive cellular damage. As injured cells burst and release debris, the immune system, already in a frenzy, turns against the debris as well, inflicting even more harm.

Some of those self-directed antibodies declined in number over the course of Ring and Iwasaki’s study, indicating that they may subside naturally once the virus is defeated. But if the antibodies stick around in some individuals, they could drive an ongoing attack at various sites in the body, which might account for the symptoms of long Covid. If that proves to be the case, Ring says, potential treatments already exist, including rituximab, a powerful drug that selectively depletes antibody-producing B-cells.

How exactly might an autoimmune disease cause the fatigue, cognitive failings and other symptoms seen in those with long Covid? Patients with other autoimmune diseases, like rheumatoid arthritis and inflammatory bowel disease, often report debilitating fatigue and brain fog. They may even consider this fatigue to be worse than the pain or discomfort emanating from what’s usually considered the site of attack — the joints and the gut, respectively. The chronic inflammation central to these diseases causes the fatigue, doctors think. It’s an illustration of just how tightly connected the immune system is with our sense of well-being.

Long Covid and ME/CFS share features beyond symptoms. Both are linked with infection. And the immune system is a focus of research into both conditions. Yet the idea that long Covid and ME/CFS are overlapping disorders is not universally accepted. Although many long-haulers may now technically meet the criteria for ME/CFS, Maureen Hanson, a molecular biologist who studies ME/CFS at Cornell University, warns against assuming they are related. “We don’t know how long people will actually remain ill,” she says. And of course, there are thought to be millions of people around the world with ME/CFS, but “none of them got it because of SARS-CoV-2,” she adds. “We don’t know if this new virus will cause the same disease.”

For patients, the “chronic fatigue” label carries the stigma of not always having been taken seriously by the medical establishment. But perhaps worst of all, the equation of the two conditions implies a scary permanence. “Chronic fatigue syndrome is a syndrome that does not get better,” Dayna McCarthy says. “From a psychological perspective, that’s just devastating.” She counsels her patients not to read too much about ME/CFS on social media.

Even so, the similarities are numerous enough that Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has raised them repeatedly, telling Medscape in July that “it’s extraordinary how many people have a postviral syndrome that’s very strikingly similar to myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. They just don’t get back to normal energy or normal feeling of good health.”

Scientists have for years considered three nonmutually exclusive explanations for how a viral infection might trigger ME/CFS: It changes the brain somehow, prompting ongoing fatigue and malaise; it becomes chronic, making the person ill indefinitely; or it triggers an autoimmune or inflammatory disease that continues to torment people long after the offending microbe is gone. These explanations feature in scientists’ thinking on long Covid as well.
Yet for decades, physicians trying to treat ME/CFS have been bedeviled by one obstacle above all others: They have no way of objectively diagnosing the condition. Cardiologists see clogged arteries and consider heart disease. Infectious-disease doctors detect viruses and bacteria and think infection. But there is no equivalent, empirically measurable dysfunction that indicates ME/CFS. It “isn’t a diagnosis — it’s a label,” Anne Louise Oaklander, a neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, told me. “We don’t really understand what the underlying biology is.”

In order to apply that ME/CFS label, a physician must first rule out other possibilities. Then a patient must satisfy three criteria, which are subjectively reported: incapacitating fatigue lasting more than six months; worsening symptoms after physical or mental exertion; and unrefreshing sleep. A fourth requirement is that patients suffer from at least one of the following: difficulties with thinking and memory; or orthostatic intolerance, a debilitating dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system characterized by rapid changes in heart rate and blood pressure when standing.

Even if scientists aren’t sure about the root cause of ME/CFS, however, numerous studies in recent years have documented biological differences in these patients. There’s orthostatic intolerance, for one — which, as one scientist pointed out to me, can’t be “psychological.” And Nancy Klimas, a physician and scientist at Nova Southeastern University, and others have observed that one set of cells in particular, called natural killer cells, behave quite strangely in ME/CFS patients. Normally these cells sidle up to and destroy cells infected by viral invaders. But in ME/CFS patients, Klimas has found them to be listless and inert. She doesn’t think that they’re defective; she hypothesizes that they’ve been worked to exhaustion.

Klimas’s research on postexertional malaise — which has involved collecting blood work on volunteers before, during and after mild exertion — has also revealed numerous differences compared with healthy people. Some inflammation after exercise is normal. But that immune activation is quickly brought under control, and an anti-inflammatory signal eventually prevails. In ME/CFS patients, that inflammatory spike continues unabated. The patients seem to respond to exercise as if they were fighting the flu. “You can imagine what that feels like, like getting hit by a truck,” Klimas says.

ME/CFS (and long-Covid) patients can suffer from dysautonomia, an affliction of the autonomic nervous system that can cause racing hearts, gut problems, dilated pupils, sweating and rapid changes in blood pressure when at rest. It may be one reason they don’t feel rested after sleeping. The sympathetic nervous system — that part of your body that swings into action when, for example, you’re chased by a bear — seems to have been permanently switched on in some patients. “Flight-or-fight all the time is not healthy,” Klimas says...
 
I’ve read where some folks after having severe covid have diabetes. Folks will continue to die from this virus long term.
Thank goodness the treatments are getting better. Regular folks might be able to get the treatment our past president had. I wonder if his case was even that severe, just a thought. Not that it matters.
 
Regular folks might be able to get the treatment our past president had.

Unfortunately, like the currently available vaccines, monoclonal antibody treatments are less effective against the variants.

Monoclonal antibodies: 'great hope' in Covid treatments fails against variants

Exclusive: no leading contender is effective against all the South African, Brazilian and Kent variants

The great hope for drug treatments against Covid-19 – the monoclonal antibodies – are failing against variants of the virus, such as those that have emerged in South Africa and Brazil, scientists have found.

There have been high expectations of the drugs. One, made by Regeneron in the United States, was given to Donald Trump and may have played a part in his recovery. It is being trialled in hospital patients in the UK.

But to the dismay of those who work on therapies against the disease, all three leading contenders – Regeneron’s, and drugs from Eli Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline – fail against one or more of the variants.

The antibodies have huge advantages as treatments, said Nick Cammack, who leads the Covid-19 therapeutics accelerator at Wellcome. They are derived from cloning a human white blood cell and mimic the effects of the immune system. They are very safe, specifically engineered to target the virus and their use looked highly promising in the early stage of disease to stop it progressing.

“The challenge came at Christmas when these new variants appeared – the South Africa and Brazil ones particularly. The changes the virus makes in its spike proteins actually throw off these antibodies,” he said.

“So basically, most of the front-running antibody therapies for Covid which are the front-running therapies for Covid, I should say – so the great hope – are lost to the South African and Brazilian variants.”

GlaxoSmithKline’s treatment still works against those variants, but not against the one that emerged in Kent in the UK. But with the coronavirus mutating as much as it has done already, Cammack does not expect any of the current drugs to to be effective for long.

Researchers now need to find “conserved” regions of the virus that do not mutate to target with antibodies. “I think it’s pretty clear, whilst we’ve seen South Africa, UK and Brazil variants, there will be others. And we need mass sequencing, genetic sequencing of the virus around the world, which will reveal where the changes are made and also reveal where conserved regions are,” he said.

The drugs still work against the original virus and are being used in Europe and the United States.

The monoclonal antibodies were chosen to target the spike protein of the virus which attaches to cells in the human body. In general, he said, that region of the virus does not change much, because if it does, it won’t attach so well to cells.

“Well, here we are with a virus that makes a change that actually helps it stick to the cell even better. So these monoclonals are lost,” said Cammack. “So we’re somewhat back to square one honestly.”

Limited published scientific data about the variants and monoclonal antibodies exists – there is a pre-print from South Africa and another from China. More papers are expected in the coming weeks...
 
My mom & dad both have it my dad still has a mild cough. They both educated themselves. Go on ventilator, chances for survival suck

I'm not in any way down playing the fear some have. For some It would be good to start looking outside your normal circle of info.

Use your capacity to reason out & find credibility, your intelligence to find coherent, existential answers to this issue :)

The wealth of info we now have at this point is huge. No vaccines here in this house.

Look at how we developed vaccines in the past compared to how these COVID vaccines were tested & brought forth. You cannot sue that makers of a vaccine ! There is no accountability

Not arguing about it. I'm not stating anything from a need or desire, just to be right.
 
The pandemic is over as the hysteria has been a political tool.
They are destroying your future and taking everything from you........the propaganda is blatant and obvious.

It annoys me that more people dont see this.. was just a tool to reshape the world, and not for the better for us... this was clearly well planned out over many years to put all things in place to capitilalise on this... look how much richer the rich got...
This whole world is fucked up bent...

Luckily the new generations are not so easily brain washed into being nieve..
We have places like this to discuss truths.. we are no longer censorable...
As the older gemerations continue to die off the people will grow in strength..
The revolution is coming...
Look how easy an unorganised small number of people stormed the whitehouse...

One day all the people will realise we have the power... then the elite peodos reign is over...

Sorry but this shit winds me up beyond belief..
No more bending over and jus taking it.....
 
It annoys me that more people dont see this.. was just a tool to reshape the world, and not for the better for us... this was clearly well planned out over many years to put all things in place to capitilalise on this... look how much richer the rich got...
This whole world is fucked up bent...

Luckily the new generations are not so easily brain washed into being nieve..
We have places like this to discuss truths.. we are no longer censorable...
As the older gemerations continue to die off the people will grow in strength..
The revolution is coming...
Look how easy an unorganised small number of people stormed the whitehouse...

One day all the people will realise we have the power... then the elite peodos reign is over...

Sorry but this shit winds me up beyond belief..
No more bending over and jus taking it.....


There is a war going on as we speak amongst the medical community. It has little to do with COVID or life & death. No one is above question when it comes to life or death.



This site will eventually be taken down along with others.
 
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@Jeff, finally got the sound on the video, are you saying that ivermectin should be more widely used? Posted the US National Institutes of Health guidelines below, including their references, which are mainly positive. It sounds like it's being actively studied and might prove to be worthwhile.

The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel’s Statement on the Use of Ivermectin for the Treatment of COVID-19

Last Updated: January 14, 2021

Recommendation​

  • The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) has determined that currently there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.

Rationale​

Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug that is approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of onchocerciasis and strongyloidiasis. Ivermectin is not FDA-approved for the treatment of any viral infection. In general, the drug is well tolerated. It is currently being evaluated as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

Antiviral and Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Ivermectin​

Reports from in vitro studies suggest that ivermectin acts by inhibiting the host importin alfa/beta-1 nuclear transport proteins, which are part of a key intracellular transport process that viruses hijack to enhance infection by suppressing the host antiviral response.1,2 In addition, ivermectin docking in vitro may interfere with the attachment of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein to the human cell membrane.3

Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell culture. However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that ivermectin doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans would be required to achieve the plasma concentrations necessary to duplicate the drug’s antiviral efficacy in vitro.4,5 Even though ivermectin appears to accumulate in lung tissue, with the doses used in most clinical trials, predicted systemic plasma and lung tissue concentrations are much lower than 2 µM, the half-maximal inhibitory concentration (IC50) against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.6,7

Ivermectin demonstrates potential anti-inflammatory properties in some in vitro studies,8,9 properties which have been postulated to be beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19.10

Clinical Data​

Since the last revision of the Ivermectin section of the Guidelines, the results of several randomized trials and retrospective cohort studies of ivermectin use in patients with COVID-19 have been published in peer-reviewed journals or made available as preliminary, non-peer-reviewed reports. Some clinical studies showed no benefits or worsening of disease after ivermectin use,11-14 whereas others reported shorter time to resolution of disease manifestations attributed to COVID-19,15-18 greater reduction in inflammatory markers,16,17 shorter time to viral clearance,11,16 or lower mortality rates in patients who received ivermectin than in patients who received comparator drugs or placebo.11,16,18

However, most of the studies reported to date had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias. The missing information and limitations include the following:

  • The sample size of most of the trials was small.
  • Various doses and schedules of ivermectin were used.
  • Some of the randomized controlled trials were open-label studies in which neither the participants nor the investigators were blinded to the treatment arms.
  • In addition to ivermectin or the comparator drug, patients also received various concomitant medications (e.g., doxycycline, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, zinc, corticosteroids), confounding assessment of the true efficacy or safety of ivermectin.
  • The severity of COVID-19 in the study participants was not always well described.
  • The study outcome measures were not always clearly defined.
Because of these limitations, the Panel cannot draw definitive conclusions about the clinical efficacy or safety of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.

References​

  1. Yang SNY, Atkinson SC, Wang C, et al. The broad spectrum antiviral ivermectin targets the host nuclear transport importin alpha/beta1 heterodimer. Antiviral Res. 2020;177:104760. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32135219.
  2. Arévalo AP, Pagotto R, Pórfido J, et al. Ivermectin reduces coronavirus infection in vivo: a mouse experimental model. bioRxiv. 2020;Preprint. Available at: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.02.363242v1.
  3. Lehrer S, Rheinstein PH. Ivermectin docks to the SARS-CoV-2 spike receptor-binding domain attached to ACE2. In Vivo. 2020;34(5):3023-3026. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32871846.
  4. Guzzo CA, Furtek CI, Porras AG, et al. Safety, tolerability, and pharmacokinetics of escalating high doses of ivermectin in healthy adult subjects. J Clin Pharmacol. 2002;42(10):1122-1133. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12362927.
  5. Chaccour C, Hammann F, Ramon-Garcia S, Rabinovich NR. Ivermectin and COVID-19: keeping rigor in times of urgency. Am J Trop Med Hyg. 2020;102(6):1156-1157. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32314704.
  6. Arshad U, Pertinez H, Box H, et al. Prioritization of anti-SARS-CoV-2 drug repurposing opportunities based on plasma and target site concentrations derived from their established human pharmacokinetics. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2020;108(4):775-790. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32438446.
  7. Bray M, Rayner C, Noel F, Jans D, Wagstaff K. Ivermectin and COVID-19: a report in antiviral research, widespread interest, an FDA warning, two letters to the editor and the authors' responses. Antiviral Res. 2020;178:104805. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32330482.
  8. Zhang X, Song Y, Ci X, et al. Ivermectin inhibits LPS-induced production of inflammatory cytokines and improves LPS-induced survival in mice. Inflamm Res. 2008;57(11):524-529. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19109745.
  9. Ci X, Li H, Yu Q, et al. Avermectin exerts anti-inflammatory effect by downregulating the nuclear transcription factor kappa-B and mitogen-activated protein kinase activation pathway. Fundam Clin Pharmacol. 2009;23(4):449-455. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19453757.
  10. DiNicolantonio JJ, Barroso J, McCarty M. Ivermectin may be a clinically useful anti-inflammatory agent for late-stage COVID-19. Open Heart. 2020;7(2). Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32895293.
  11. Ahmed S, Karim MM, Ross AG, et al. A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness. Int J Infect Dis. 2020;103:214-216. Available at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/33278625.
  12. Chachar AZK, Khan KA, Asif M, Tanveer K, Khaqan A, Basri R. Effectiveness of ivermectin in SARS-COV-2/COVID-19 Patients. Int J of Sci. 2020;9:31-35. Available at: https://www.ijsciences.com/pub/article/2378.
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Disrupt, not really saying anything other than there are those in the medical field that disagree with how its being treated now in light of the facts that have come to light. I'm not a doctor.​


Some of the treatments mentioned in the link were used on me. I have an aunt that was going to be removed from a ventilator to die the family got together & said NO! That was sometime ago. She now, other than her taste being diminished is completely fine .
 
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Treatment clearly hasn't received enough attention and there are other repurposed drugs that show promise. We'll need effective treatments more than ever going forward.

The monoclonal antibody treatment @CarolKing mentioned has the same specificity as the currently approved vaccines. When the spike protein changes, as it already has, antibodies against the original version lose some of their effectiveness.
 
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Treatments that dont cause cash flow bring little interest.
If the powers that be cared from the heart we would be hearing more about the available treatments & less about how scared we should be or the on going insurmountable death toll. Just my feelings

You won't find any defense of capitalist motives here. Both prevention and treatment deserved greater support from the start.

Both also required greater organization. Plenty of attention was paid to chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine, inexpensive malaria drugs with anecdotal evidence of effect, but it hasn't panned out. The same might or might not be true of ivermectin, or clofazimine, for that matter, an inexpensive leprosy drug. Ideally, a system would be in place for quickly conducting definitive clinical trials of potential treatments in the event of public health crises. That's a tall order, and clinical trials still take time, but in the US, we should pressure the new administration to develop such capacity for this crisis and the next.

IMO, it's not all about money and politics. Scientists, for all their cleverness, or maybe because of it, seem biased toward the coolest solutions. Personally, share some guilt. Eradicating the virus with a vaccine had great appeal, but it was probably never a realistic goal.
 
It all depends on what you read, and where you read it.
Any position taken by anyone over anything can be argued and rationalized.
Google the individual Doctor's names from the above video, and you may be surprised to read about some of their actual reputations
in the Medical community.
The teacher Dolores Cahill especially, has received much repudiation from the education and medical communities, and has been asked to resign, as
the school rejects her discourse and takes the opposite view.
Their Official response to the Public and Medical Community about their rejection of Dolores Cahill can be seen at:
A response to statements regarding COVID-19 made by Professor Dolores Cahill
More below:
1-Debunked: Several claims about Covid-19 in a video featuring Dolores Cahill are false or misleading

2-Professor Dolores Cahill: Anti-vaxxer turned Covid Grifter

About Dr Nils R Fosse:
3-Busting bad doctors on Covid-19
  1. I feel that anyone that is a "Covid Conspiracy Theorist", should just not take a vaccine if that feels right to them.
  2. Similarly I believe that they should be disallowed in public until the rest of the concerned world citizens are safely vaccinated.
  3. I LOVE the fact that citations are being issued in my city to those not remaining masked in public settings like the Post Office.
  4. I LOVE it that the bank simply refuses to grant entry to non-maskers.
  5. I especially love it that my Dispensary does not allow patients on line outside on their premises AT ALL without a mask, and that they have enforcement hired for this purpose.
 
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We see what we want to see and we hear what we want to hear.
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We see what we want to see and we hear what we want to hear.
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More than 1/2
( just a guess ) of those who Google to find truth never look at opposing views.

But only look to establish or back up wat they are already thinking.

Our universities no longer teach how to earn a living, neither do they establish the ground work or foundation for finding the truth.

The most evil part is the universities indoctrinate with a specific world veiw.

I will separate myself from some here in stating I believe that absolute truth exist.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DENY TRUTH EXIST. Go for it if you disagree & ill quickly & soundly prove you wrong.

But not in every given situation. With this virus we discuss it & do the best we can with the help from others.
 
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