arb
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I did indeed and not sure why my response to your calling business owners greedy is so antagonizing?
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CarolKing
Always in search of the perfect vaporizer
It depends on where you live. Our rates in my area are getting better.
Fact-checking recent claims about COVID-19 vaccines, 'wonder drugs' and more
Here's a look at false and misleading claims circulating as the United States moves closer to approving a COVID-19 vaccine and distribution is underway in the United Kingdom.
The above mention of Dr. Pierre Kory MD, that medication is made for animals. People will try taking that stuff! It’s made to get rid of worms!
Vitolo
Vaporist
Restaurant and Bar owners are the businesses I refer to.
Perhaps you find the comment antagonizing because you are, in an attempt to empathize, putting yourself in their place.
Theses businesses have an obligation to the public to provide safety.
If they can not do so, they have a choice to make.
- Make a living another way, at least for now.
- Continue cheating... endangering the public.
arb
Semi shaved ape
I do empathize with people who are struggling to pay their bills and being told they cannot work by a government that will not support them.
The issue is not your fellow citizens Vitolo it is the government that has them at their financial limits and now pits you against them.
I would ask how you put a roof over your head,feed yourself and family,pay medical bills.......but that would be rude.
As a business owner who serves the public I totally empathize with both sides and if you choose not to go into a business that is your choice.
Are my taxes being deemed non essential?
Vitolo
Vaporist
I have seen restaurant and Bar owners here in Tucson disobey the forced closure, and I watched as their employees and patrons contracted the virus.
And they closed.... then they re-opened and hired new employees.... and then they closed, etc.
The Greedy ones, are still in the cycle of closing and re-opening.
Each time leaving the public with a few more cases, for the few dollars that those few days could bring.
The government did not allow these places to open, against their own advice......
Business owners opened and started serving the public against the government's advice.
I don't care one way or another how these business owners pay their bills, or rent.
... As long as they don't pay their bills while while not following CDC guidelines.
of the other safety guidelines... My fellow citizens are.
I have a landlord that is working with me on payments.......
Nobody said it was easy.
It is not my business how others do it. We all do what we must.
Break a CDC guideline..
I feel that sanctions are in order.
If a 70 year old poor man like me can find a way,
then one who has the ingenuity to run a business can find a way.
The discussion is about Covid, and through this channel it becomes about the illness,
the actions being taken....
..and about those that through their ignorance, personally adopted
conspiracy theories and non-compliance with medical mandates are helping the virus extend it's stay among us.
unqualified to serve further.
During this time anything that the government did was directly or indirectly influenced by that public servant.
It is not up to the government to force us to behave in a civil manner and with caution and concern.
It is up to the citizens.
The conscientious among us do not operate in a way contrary to public welfare.
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I am surely not trying to encourage political discussion, or an ongoing dialogue about
who is responsible for the "bad" in the world, including the virus.
And they closed.... then they re-opened and hired new employees.... and then they closed, etc.
The Greedy ones, are still in the cycle of closing and re-opening.
Each time leaving the public with a few more cases, for the few dollars that those few days could bring.
The government did not allow these places to open, against their own advice......
Business owners opened and started serving the public against the government's advice.
I don't care one way or another how these business owners pay their bills, or rent.
... As long as they don't pay their bills while while not following CDC guidelines.
The issue IS non-compliant fellow citizens. The government is not walking around, refusing to wear masks, and all
of the other safety guidelines... My fellow citizens are.
I struggle. Times are hard, yet I still serve a Terminally Ill population.
I have a landlord that is working with me on payments.......
Nobody said it was easy.
It is not my business how others do it. We all do what we must.
Break a CDC guideline..
I feel that sanctions are in order.
If a 70 year old poor man like me can find a way,
then one who has the ingenuity to run a business can find a way.
Nobody is talking about you or your taxes.... no reason to cloud the issue with such a distraction.
The discussion is about Covid, and through this channel it becomes about the illness,
the actions being taken....
..and about those that through their ignorance, personally adopted
conspiracy theories and non-compliance with medical mandates are helping the virus extend it's stay among us.
From what I have observed the USA government was temporarily under the influence of one who the public felt
unqualified to serve further.
During this time anything that the government did was directly or indirectly influenced by that public servant.
It is not up to the government to force us to behave in a civil manner and with caution and concern.
It is up to the citizens.
The conscientious among us do not operate in a way contrary to public welfare.
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I am surely not trying to encourage political discussion, or an ongoing dialogue about
who is responsible for the "bad" in the world, including the virus.
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arb
Semi shaved ape
You seem to not be able to say it is the government forcing the closures Vitolo.
The federal government had absolutely nothing to do with what your state decided to do.
You choose to place not only yourself but the people you serve in danger by in person visits,no matter how much you choose to think your not or how essential they may be.
Who pays your landlords mortgage when his tenants don't pay rent because they're job is deemed unessential?
Who bails out the banks when all the mortgages default due to non payment?
Your not giving a shit about peoples real issues seems contrary to your obviously caring nature........I am struggling to understand your position.
The federal government had absolutely nothing to do with what your state decided to do.
You choose to place not only yourself but the people you serve in danger by in person visits,no matter how much you choose to think your not or how essential they may be.
Who pays your landlords mortgage when his tenants don't pay rent because they're job is deemed unessential?
Who bails out the banks when all the mortgages default due to non payment?
Your not giving a shit about peoples real issues seems contrary to your obviously caring nature........I am struggling to understand your position.
We had a bad breakout here in Tassie at the beginning of all this Covid drama and both our state and federal governments forced a 2 week lock down due to Tassies aging population that everyone followed because we are not conspiracy theory junkies...been plain sailing since for Tassie, just had to keep those Vicbloodytorians out as they and other states did not follow guidelines.
Tassie is an island...social distancing works.
Tassie is an island...social distancing works.
To what do you attribute this? Are your fine people especially religious? Do they subscribe to traditional conspiracy theories (fluoride, UFOs, etc.)? How's your public education system? Are stoners more susceptible due to occasional paranoia?
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I live in a heavily populated southern California city.
When I go out to any store everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.
But yet we still have cases (not as bad as other parts of CA).
it’s not like these anti-maskers are running around coughing on people shouting ma freedom! Maybe in some hillbilly states but I don’t see that here.
from what I see people are following the guidelines.... which we’ve been doing for almost a year.
just keep believing the main stream news and make sure to scoff at any other scientist or medical doctor that has a differing opinion.
Don’t open your mind to any other possibilities
That’s the real conspiracy theory
When I go out to any store everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.
But yet we still have cases (not as bad as other parts of CA).
it’s not like these anti-maskers are running around coughing on people shouting ma freedom! Maybe in some hillbilly states but I don’t see that here.
from what I see people are following the guidelines.... which we’ve been doing for almost a year.
just keep believing the main stream news and make sure to scoff at any other scientist or medical doctor that has a differing opinion.
Don’t open your mind to any other possibilities
That’s the real conspiracy theory
arb
Semi shaved ape
Have you ever hacked into then screamed at a hillbillies face?I live in a heavily populated southern California city.
When I go out to any store everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.
But yet we still have cases (not as bad as other parts of CA).
it’s not like these anti-maskers are running around coughing on people shouting ma freedom! Maybe in some hillbilly states but I don’t see that here.
from what I see people are following the guidelines.... which we’ve been doing for almost a year.
just keep believing the main stream news and make sure to scoff at any other scientist or medical doctor that has a differing opinion.
Don’t open your mind to any other possibilities
Being a hillbilly I can assure you that that just ain't happening.......more than once per billy.
Or.........now hear me out,maybe the answer really is spitting in each others faces.
Gets us to herd immunity thins out a burgeoning population AND we will get to know each other in person........I think you nailed it @I'm Ron Burgundy? .
Marlon Rando
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Let's agree to disagree on that one les.social distancing works.
U nailed it bro.
Some people in my family remind me of the new branch Covidians, blindly following their one true God, the government.. Let's all double up on masks too now. smh
That's at least understandable, thanks. Our own former COVID denier, @voyciz also blamed their expectations. Early in the pandemic, an encouragingly large part of the population responded appropriately, adopting reasonable public health precautions. When disaster failed to materialize immediately before their very eyes, they concluded they'd been lied to. A bit of a leap, but understandable. (Sadly for @voycis, disaster did materialize before long.)
Genuinely trying to understand our epistemic crisis, because it threatens our ability to respond to common threats generally. (For example, if enough people had been convinced of Jewish guilt, WWII might have turned out differently.) It's been difficult to discuss because it's become entangled in politics, and that's a no-no. But it's bigger than politics. Also, feel somewhat responsible working in advocacy, where we sometimes oversimplify nuanced issues.
Admit share of guilt, but this is as much an effect of the crisis as a cause. Buried in chaff, it's easy to miss the occasional grain of wheat. Makes critical thinkers look bad, further emboldening conspiracy theorists
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Vitolo
Vaporist
When standing in a long line... for example at Post Office and Dispensary, I hold my cane by the crook, at my side.... extended directly behind me... full length.
You would be shocked at how many assholes, bang or bump directly into a 3 foot long cane from behind me!
I spin around to face them, cane often dragging across their belly or crotch as I explain Social Distancing to them.
Well done!
Common sense.
This is good... glad you guys are lower than the surrounding areas!
Fact-checking recent claims about COVID-19 vaccines, 'wonder drugs' and more
Here's a look at false and misleading claims circulating as the United States moves closer to approving a COVID-19 vaccine and distribution is underway in the United Kingdom.heraldcourier.com
The above mention of Dr. Pierre Kory MD, that medication is made for animals. People will try taking that stuff! It’s made to get rid of worms!
Carol,
This is all completely outside any level of expertise I have. While also above my pay grade. Like your self, I'm doing my best to understand . I welcome honest well thought out debate. Please dont take this as personal attack. I find you to be a very interesting lady.
The link & associated comments do not deal in any way with world wide studies & the documented positive effects. It's meaningless blather.
If someone wishes to disagree I'm all for it . However the doctors making claims regarding Ivermectin have far more credibility than the author in this link.
"... Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University, said most of the research around ivermectin at the moment is made up of anecdotes and studies that are not the gold standard in terms of how to use ivermectin. “We need to get much more data before we can say this is a definitive treatment,” he said. “We would like to see more data before I recommend it to my patients ...”
The point has been made of the need to save lives now ! To do these studies to reach this " gold standard " takes time that we dont have. To use this this article to down play or attack a group of doctors with notoriety is an injustice to finding the truth. There will always be a study that disagrees with another's findings.
What gets me most is Doctors / people are quick to knock another's findings BUT YET REFUSE TO DEBATE IT POINT BY POINT something we all could benefit from.
My aunt was to be removed from a ventilator to die. Things changed dramatically after being given Ivermectin. Drugs are repurposed all the time.
There needs to be more said than negative comments based on it's use for parasites. Yes this should cause question.
I encourage disagreement ! This is fine. But this article is meritless dribble that deals in no way honestly in making an attempt to take Dr, Kory & his associates to task regarding the claims they make. Again something we could all benefit from. I find the linked article to be insulting to any one looking for well thought out answers or intelligent debate on this issue.
During this time people are being injected with a vaccine they know nothing about from makers who have no legal liability or accountability. A vaccine that was produced in record time using a different criteria / method for its production .
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Ivermectin may well be an example grain of wheat amid the chaff. (Above, note that NIH, while not recommending ivermectin for treating COVID, references mainly studies with positive findings.) Ivermectin rose to attention around the same time prominent public figures were promoting other repurposed drugs (chloroquine/ hydroxychloroquine) that didn't pan out. Probably contributed to its dismissal by some who should have known better. In a healthier information environment, ivermectin would have received appropriate attention, and we'd know more about it by now.
Regarding the mRNA vaccines, they are new, so it's reasonable to be especially cautious. But they're simpler and present less cause for immediate concern than do traditional vaccines. The ingredients of Pfizer's vaccines are: a strand of mRNA, four lipids (one of which is cholesterol), and salt buffers. That's all. Traditional vaccines include inactivated whole virus and can produce more unexpected effects. Some of the COVID vaccines in the pipeline work this way.
mRNA is generally very unstable - why the vaccine needs to be kept cold. It degrades quickly (but not until it's been translated into enough viral protein to generate an immune response.) These vaccines were also tested in tens of thousands of people - enough to spot even rare events. The most serious adverse events observed were shoulder injury possibly related to vaccine administration or to the vaccine itself, and lymphadenopathy involving the axilla contralateral to the vaccine injection site. One of the first bits of disinformation in @Helios' video was the comparison to HIV. HIV is an RNA virus, but it incorporates into the host genome. To do so, it encodes a novel viral enzyme, reverse transcriptase, that transcribes its RNA genome back into DNA (like ours). SARS-CoV-2 has no such enzyme and an entirely unrelated replication cycle.
Another observation from the epistemic crisis is the idea that knowledge comes from people, perceived authorities who know better. Whom shall we trust, this scientist or that doctor? Why is that? They're not priests. In fact, the best scientists trust themselves least of all. Seems like dark ages thinking, when people trusted the pope to infallibly know god's will. Is that where we're headed?
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