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Why More and More Countries are Choosing the Russian 'Vaccine'
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Sorry about recent bad behavior. It all makes sense now, but probably not to anyone else.

Reviewing something unrelated at work, a long, boring risk assessment manual. Missed something important early on. Found it last night. Probably had a nagging suspicion all along. Very fortunate to discover it with just enough time left for revision.

The recent discussion here was essential to that. Here, missed that ivermectin deserved more attention, raising needed self-doubt. Scholarly rigor applies more at work, but it's helpful everywhere. Long post about empiracism and the scientific method helped solve related labeling problem at work. Even used some of it in email to VP.

The attitude was probably projection, a psychological interpretation. Self-directed frustration at having missed something at work turned outward to others. Regardless, the behavior here was obvious and inexcusable.

The work issue is resolved. Tension eased to be replaced by a relaxed smile. Now, there's writing to do! (And fortunately for you - not here.)
 
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You would take a vaccine with a 91% success rate for a disease with a 0.025% mortality rate?
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Absolutely! Haven't fact-checked your mortality rate, but that's not what matters most at this point. You said it yourself, "The virus is mutating," but what are the implications?

The most prevalent variant (first identified in the UK) most likely has a significantly higher mortality rate in addition to being more transmissible. The UK, champion genomic sleuth it is, has already spotted a subsequent mutation that's identical to one associated with evading immunity to the parent in other variants. This descendant of the UK variant could already be the feared triple threat - more transmissible, more deadly, and antigenically distinct.

It's probably not quite there yet, and the UK appears to be keeping a lid on it for now. But the last article posted reports evidence of convergent evolution. Being new to our species, SARS-CoV-2 has plenty of room to evolve. A few specific mutations are available to it that go a long way to optimizing it for its new host. Given enough replication cycles, those mutations will occur. If not in the UK, somewhere else. We're watching evolution in real time, and we have a pretty good idea where it's headed. Once the triple threat is born, we effectively have a new, worse pandemic on our hands. And it doesn't stop there.

The only thing we can do to slow it down is reduce the number of replication cycles. In countries that haven't achieved that by restricting behavior, mass vaccination campaigns are the best way to do that. Amazingly, there may be just enough time. We're speeding down a road with one warning sign after another. It's time we heeded them.

This is without even considering COVID's potential chronic effects. Reading a new article about Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children.

So much for "not here."
 
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Absolutely! Haven't fact-checked your mortality rate, but that's not what matters most at this point. You said it yourself, "The virus is mutating," but what are the implications?

The most prevalent variant (first identified in the UK) most likely has a significantly higher mortality rate in addition to being more transmissible. The UK, champion genomic sleuth it is, has already spotted a subsequent mutation that's identical to one associated with evading immunity to the parent in other variants. This descendant of the UK variant could already be the feared triple threat - more transmissible, more deadly, and antigenically distinct.

It's probably not quite there yet, and the UK appears to be keeping a lid on it for now. But the last article posted reports evidence of convergent evolution. Being new to our species, SARS-CoV-2 has plenty of room to evolve. A few specific mutations are available to it that go a long way to optimizing it for its new host. Given enough replication cycles, those mutations will occur. If not in the UK, somewhere else. We're watching evolution in real time, and we have a pretty good idea where it's headed. Once the triple threat is born, we effectively have a new, worse pandemic on our hands. And it doesn't stop there.

The only thing we can do to slow it down is reduce the number of replication cycles. In countries that haven't achieved that by restricting behavior, mass vaccination campaigns are the only way to do that. Amazingly, there may be just enough time. We're speeding down a road with one warning sign after another. It's time we heeded them.

This is without even considering COVID's potential chronic effects. Reading a new article about Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children.

So much for "not here."
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Why do you think the vaccine will work once the virus mutates?
 
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Why do you think the vaccine will work once the virus mutates?
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It won't once a variant is fully distinct antigenically. That's why it's so important to use the vaccines we have now - to stop the virus' evolution before it reaches its goal. Or to at least get the infection rate low enough to contain it when it does. We could keep chasing it with new vaccines, but we'll always be behind, millions more will be sickened and die, and too much of the population would likely refuse to take those new vaccines as well.
 
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It won't once a variant is fully distinct antigenically. That's why it's so important to use the vaccines we have now - to stop the virus' evolution before it reaches its goal. Or to at least get the infection rate low enough to contain it when it does. We could keep chasing it with new vaccines, but we'll always be behind, millions more will be sickened and die, and too much of the population would likely refuse to take those new vaccines as well.
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Well shit..........seems pointless and may as well open up and get actual herd immunity happening?
 
arb said:
Well shit..........seems pointless and may as well open up and get actual herd immunity happening?
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Herd immunity to what? To the parent SARS-CoV-2 or to one of its variants?

If a variant is more transmissible, but not yet antigenically distinct, herd immunity to both parent and variant is achievable at the same time, but the higher transmission rate of the variant increases the proportion of the population that must be exposed before it's reached.

If a variant is antigenically distinct, there are now two distinct herd immunities, as there are effectively two pandemics. Progress on one doesn't count toward the other. We have to start all over again.

The current situation is most likely somewhere in between. Some variants appear to be partially distinct from the parent in addition to being more transmissable. That complicates the situation; don't understand the math well enough to work it out confidently and haven't found an analysis addressing it.
 
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To me, taking or not taking a vaccine is an extremely personal decision as if we have full agency over anything it should be our body.

I don't mind people who don't take the vaccine and hence stay a possible disease vector....as long as they don't mind us locking them up in internment camps in the Nevada desert! hahaha YES, I'm joking...sort of...well, maybe! hahaha
 
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To me, taking or not taking a vaccine is an extremely personal decision as if we have full agency over anything it should be our body.

I don't mind people who don't take the vaccine and hence stay a possible disease vector....as long as they don't mind us locking them up in internment camps in the Nevada desert! hahaha YES, I'm joking...sort of...well, maybe! hahaha
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Your joke gets to the root of the issue. In free societies, we decide, collectively, where to draw the line between personal and public interest. If you disagree with that decision in a particular respect, you can express your opinion by either participating in government or protesting it. If your protest breaks laws (e.g. civil or not-so-civil disobedience), government can enforce those laws against you. It's an explicit or implicit agreement we reach in order to reap society's collective benefits.

Regarding participation in government, a soapbox moment...

As occasionally mentioned, work in advocacy. That includes participation in public meetings held by government agencies. Last week, participated in (well, just attended) a truly inspiring meeting from the US EPA's Office of Research and Development. (Meeting material is available at the link.) Remember, this was a public meeting. The subject was relevant to anyone who is interested in the health and environmental risks posed by chemicals. If you'd attended, in addition to having your mind blown by cutting edge science, you would have had an opportunity to present a comment. All of the regulators and scientists in attendance would have listened to you. They might even have considered something you had to say in the policy discussion that followed. In the before times, you might have had opportunity to meet and chat with your public servants. Now, you don't even have to drag your ass to DC, just follow a Zoom link.

But you didn't say anything. Pretty confident about that because only four people did, and three of them were representatives of chemical trade organizations. (The other was a regional EPA toxicologist.) Fifteen years of these meetings, recall only two comments from members of the general public. Otherwise, recall hundreds from industry representatives, advocates, their lawyers, etc.

Are these the people you want to have EPA's ear? No, then make your voice heard! It's a lot more rewardinig than railing against special interests in internet fora.

Ready to get started? Introducing the Federal Register, a free, daily publication that tells Americans what their government is doing along with dozens of new opportunities for public participation every day.
 
They Didn't Isolate the Virus.

Chief Chinese epidemiologist tells NBC News, referring to samples taken from Wuhan market a year ago.



The Chinese scientists name is Dr. Wu Zunyou. He is Chief Epidemologist at the Chinese CDC, the clip above is an interview with TV presenter from NBC.

He answered, “They didn’t isolate the virus.” He was referring to tissue samples taken from animals sold at the market.

That's a curious answer. Why have researchers and scientists claimed SARS-CoV-2 crossed species from animals to humans at that market, when no one ever isolated the virus from samples taken at the market?

The next, and far bigger question, is: When Dr. Zunyou says, “They didn’t isolate the virus,” is he ONLY referring to tissue samples taken from animals at the market? Or does his answer also apply to the first 40 human cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, which were claimed to result from a newly discovered coronavirus?
Based on no evidence of a virus, the Chinese regime locked down 50 million citizens, shortly after lifting Lockdowns and going into gear again pushing on the Economy.
That Lockdown model was adopted in the West with the help of BG, CDC, WHO and the UN, bulldozing nations economies, and further ruining literally hundreds of millions of people. (big tech, big Corona banking off booming mask biz, tests, vaxx passports while many of us go broke is for another post)

For literate people, the word “isolate” indicates: a thing is separated from all other material surrounding it. Very simple. However, for virologists, the word means: “We have the virus in a soup in a dish in the lab.” UN-ISOLATED.

Virologists state: The soup consists of the virus, plus human and animal cells, plus (toxic) drugs and chemicals, plus all sorts of other genetic material.

They know the virus is in the soup, because some of the cells are dying. The virus must be killing the cells.

WRONG. The toxic drugs and chemicals could certainly be killing the cells. The cells are also being starved of vital nutrients, and that fact alone could account for cell-death.

There is no Isolation, there is no proof the Virus is in the stew, nor proof the virus is killing cells. There is no proof the virus exists.

In other words..

It's like saying 'the car keys are somewhere in the house, we just don't know where.' oh yea?, If you don't know where, you don't know the keys are in the house.

'We have 40 Trillion dollars, they are contained somewhere in our maze of accounts, we just don't know where'. If you don't know where, you don't know you have the money.

Science is not assumptions. This whole pandemic is one big Fraud down to the root of the rotten tree.
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@Helios, SARS-CoV-2 is arguably the most intensely studied natural phenomenon in human history. Are all of these scientists in on the fraud?

Not a primary source (The Atlantic) but it's easy to search for yourself at PubMed. (Got 100,758 results as of this writing.)

How Science Beat the Virus​

And what it lost in the process
Story by Ed Yong
This article was published online on December 14, 2020.

In fall of 2019, exactly zero scientists were studying COVID‑19, because no one knew the disease existed. The coronavirus that causes it, SARS‑CoV‑2, had only recently jumped into humans and had been neither identified nor named. But by the end of March 2020, it had spread to more than 170 countries, sickened more than 750,000 people, and triggered the biggest pivot in the history of modern science...

As of this writing, the biomedical library PubMed lists more than 74,000 COVID-related scientific papers—more than twice as many as there are about polio, measles, cholera, dengue, or other diseases that have plagued humanity for centuries. Only 9,700 Ebola-related papers have been published since its discovery in 1976; last year, at least one journal received more COVID‑19 papers than that for consideration. By September, the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine had received 30,000 submissions—16,000 more than in all of 2019. “All that difference is COVID‑19,” Eric Rubin, NEJM editor in chief, says. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, told me, “The way this has resulted in a shift in scientific priorities has been unprecedented.”
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Helios said:
Perhaps the truth of 'The Emperor's New Clothes' is not that the child's truth is mercifully free of adult corruption, but that it recognizes the terrifying possibility that whatever words we may use to clothe our fears, the fabric cannot protect us from them."
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Take that as a "yes," but please offer your own interpretations.

Moving on, a cute, inspiring COVID story.

Woman, 90, Walked Six Miles in the Snow for a Vaccine​

Frances Goldman had struggled for weeks to book a coronavirus vaccination in Seattle. So when she got a Sunday appointment, she didn’t intend to miss it — even if it meant braving the elements alone.

By Jacey Fortin
Feb. 18, 2021, 5:30 a.m. ET

To get her coronavirus vaccination last weekend, Frances H. Goldman, 90, went to an extraordinary length: six miles. On foot.

It was too snowy to drive at 8 a.m. on Sunday when Ms. Goldman took out her hiking poles, dusted off her snow boots and started out from her home in the Seattle neighborhood of View Ridge. She made her way to the Burke-Gilman Trail on the edge of the city, where she wended her way alongside a set of old railroad tracks, heading south. Then she traversed the residential streets of Laurelhurst to reach the Seattle Children’s Hospital.

It was a quiet walk, Ms. Goldman said. People were scarce. She caught glimpses of Lake Washington through falling snow. It would have been more difficult, she said, had she not gotten a bad hip replaced last year.

At the hospital, about three miles and an hour from home, she got the jab. Then she bundled up again and walked back the way she had come.

The appointment went smoothly, she said. And it carried a special significance for Ms. Goldman because she could recall the joy of national celebrations in 1955, when another important vaccine was developed.

“I can remember back to when the polio vaccine was rolled out,” Ms. Goldman said. She was a young mother at the time, and polio was sickening tens of thousands of children, sometimes leading to paralysis or death, and she remembers taking her children to get the vaccine at a school in Cincinnati, where she lived.

That vaccine rollout “was done in a very organized manner, and it made a huge difference in the way people could live in the summer — not only that people didn’t get sick, but they also didn’t have to live with the threat of getting sick.”

Ms. Goldman is scheduled to receive her second dose of the vaccine next month. She plans to drive.

And when this is all over, she hopes to host people in her home again, resume her work as a volunteer at a nearby arboretum and hold her new great-grandchild, whom she has so far refrained from touching at all...

“I hope that it will inspire people to get their shots,” she said. “I think it’s important for the whole country.”
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How could I not applause this woman's tenacity, and her unselfish attitude!
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.........“I hope that it will inspire people to get their shots,” she said. “I think it’s important for the whole country.”
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