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Heres hoping for a speedy recovery from here @Madri-Gal, it is about time your luck changed for the better!
And good on @Madri-Guy for looking after you.
 
Heard a 'rumor' from a well friend who is well connected with state officials that Michigan will be put under shelter in place this weekend.

Time for a little bit of levity about this damn virus....

Somebody forgot to turn off his microphone when he went to the rest room...

 
@Madri-Gal & @Madri-Guy, I'll keep optimistic that the newer treatments and measures will become available too you quickly and ensure an even speedier recovery. Sad that you both might be infected. But also glad you both are getting treatment early as well and they caught it early on. A lot of brilliant people are working around the clock to combat this outbreak and have pooled even more resources to aid the sick.
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O3 aka Ozone generators can help sanitize against CV19, bacteria and other funk like mold. One of these could help in the house,
An old trick employed by used car salesmen would power up some ozone to freshen up old stinky cars for resale.

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I'm waiting for a UVc bulb to arrive in the mail to kill all the nasties in my living space. Hopefully this special bulb will get used in all public building spaces as a normal procedure to make them safer.
Note these UV bulbs are dangerous and not good for humans directly either even though they emit a warm blue/ultraviolet light. So get to know the science behind it before you consider getting your own bulbs. :sherlock:
 
@Cuckfumbustion, great clip, yea UVc is something we looked into, they are selling out everywhere online.
Curious how effective daily doses of Sodium Bicarbonate can help alkanelize the body when infected with the virus? ( bath or spoonfuls with cold water) I think it was administered during the Spanish flu pandemic with decent results.
Pathogens don't like Alkeline environments.
@Madri-Gal @Madri-Guy hang in there!
 
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Curious how effective daily doses of Sodium Bicarbonate can help alkanelize the body when infected with the virus? ( bath or spoonfuls with cold water) I think it was administered during the Spanish flu pandemic with decent results.
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Don't know about viral infections, but other than raising your sodium intake, a little baking soda can't hurt. Alkaline water is currently a health food trend - might help with gout. Been adding a little to morning coffee. Also makes instant coffee taste better.

A thoughtful opinion piece proposing that it might be better to isolate and treat the elderly, and those at high risk for developing complications, while allowing the general population to be infected and develop immunity. Not qualified to advocate any approach, but this seems more compassionate among other benefits.

Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?
There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.

By David L. Katz
Dr. Katz is the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center.
March 20, 2020

What we know so far about the coronavirus makes it a unique case for the potential application of a “herd immunity” approach, a strategy viewed as a desirable side effect in the Netherlands, and briefly considered in the United Kingdom.

The data from South Korea, where tracking the coronavirus has been by far the best to date, indicate that as much as 99 percent of active cases in the general population are “mild” and do not require specific medical treatment. The small percentage of cases that do require such services are highly concentrated among those age 60 and older, and further so the older people are...

The clustering of complications and death from Covid-19 among the elderly and chronically ill, but not children (there have been only very rare deaths in children), suggests that we could achieve the crucial goals of social distancing — saving lives and not overwhelming our medical system — by preferentially protecting the medically frail and those over age 60, and in particular those over 70 and 80, from exposure...

But as the work force is laid off en masse (our family has one adult child home for that reason already), and colleges close (we have another two young adults back home for this reason), young people of indeterminate infectious status are being sent home to huddle with their families nationwide. And because we lack widespread testing, they may be carrying the virus and transmitting it to their 50-something parents, and 70- or 80-something grandparents...

So what is the alternative? Well, we could focus our resources on testing and protecting, in every way possible, all those people the data indicate are especially vulnerable to severe infection: the elderly, people with chronic diseases and the immunologically compromised. Those that test positive could be the first to receive the first approved antivirals. The majority, testing negative, could benefit from every resource we have to shield them from exposure...

This focus on a much smaller portion of the population would allow most of society to return to life as usual and perhaps prevent vast segments of the economy from collapsing. Healthy children could return to school and healthy adults go back to their jobs. Theaters and restaurants could reopen, though we might be wise to avoid very large social gatherings like stadium sporting events and concerts.

So long as we were protecting the truly vulnerable, a sense of calm could be restored to society. Just as important, society as a whole could develop natural herd immunity to the virus. The vast majority of people would develop mild coronavirus infections, while medical resources could focus on those who fell critically ill. Once the wider population had been exposed and, if infected, had recovered and gained natural immunity, the risk to the most vulnerable would fall dramatically.
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A thoughtful opinion piece proposing that it might be better to isolate and treat the elderly, and those at high risk for developing complications, while allowing the general population to be infected and develop immunity. Not qualified to advocate any approach, but this seems more compassionate among other benefits.
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i can see the appeal of this idea, and the article makes good points. but as far as i know both the uk & the netherlands have by now abandoned this 'herd immunity' approach, and probably with good reason. in the case of the uk a grim study / forecast by the imperial college london apparently played a great part in changing their course. i am not a scientist, just thought id mention this here since i just heard about this british model on the radio. this wp article is from the beginning of this week & discusses the impact of this study on both uk & us strategy, & the study itself can be accessed here.
 
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i can see the appeal of this idea, and the article makes good points. but as far as i know both the uk & the netherlands have by now abandoned this 'herd immunity' approach, and probably with good reason. in the case of the uk a grim study / forecast by the imperial college london apparently played a great part in changing their course.
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Dr. Katz elaborated in a subsequent interview:

"Use a two-week isolation strategy,’’ Katz answered. Tell everyone to basically stay home for two weeks, rather than indefinitely. (This includes all the reckless college students packing the beaches of Florida.) If you are infected with the coronavirus it will usually present within a two-week incubation period.

“Those who have symptomatic infection should then self-isolate — with or without testing, which is exactly what we do with the flu,’’ Katz said. “Those who don’t, if in the low-risk population, should be allowed to return to work or school, after the two weeks end.”
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The tricky part:

Meanwhile, we should do our best to sequester from any contact with potential carriers the elderly, people with chronic diseases and the immunologically compromised for whom coronavirus is most dangerous. And “we could potentially establish subgroups of health professionals, tested to be negative for coronavirus, to tend preferentially to those at highest risk,” Katz added.
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Do we need to sequester high risk people, or do we just need to "do our best?" Shouldn't we do our best anyway, even with broad, open-ended restrictions? The difference is that it's more important to get this right with Dr. Katz's approach, because the infection rate in the general population could be much higher for a time.
 
In my opinion full lockdown has the best chance to limit the loss of human life.


Latest Updates
March 22 (GMT)
After nearly 2 months, Wuhan (the epicenter of the pandemic in China) announced today that it would be loosening the lockdown by gradually resuming public transportation and allowing healthy people to go back to work. [source]

China had put Wuhan and other cities into lockdown on Jan. 23 when a total of 25 deathshad been reported in the country. After about 3 weeks of lockdown, the number of new deaths reached its peak in China [see graphs] and then began declining.

Italy went into a similar lockdown on March 11, when 827 deaths had already been reported, and 8 days after reaching 79 deaths (March 3) [see graphs] and 19 days after the beginning of the outbreak in the country (Feb. 21) [see archived news] On Feb. 22, Italy had become the country with the highest number of cases among all non-Asian nations. [see archived news]

When China reached a similar number of deaths (811 deaths on Feb. 8) the lockdown had already been implemented for 2 weeks.

The Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission noted that by rolling out "perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history" China "has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic" and that the remarkable speed with which Chinese scientists and public health experts isolated the causative virus, established diagnostic tools, and determined key transmission parameters, such as the route of spread and incubation period, provided the vital evidence base for China’s strategy. [source]
 
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The entire state of California is supposed to be Sheltering In Place, and today two of my immediate neighbors were having parties, and another had several people over. There was much merriment and music. There aren't this many gatherings for the Fourth Of July in this neighborhood. People should be preparing to be sick, with sick kids, spouses, friends. They might not get sick, and great, but there will be houses of sick people, and parties are not the way to go. Most people aren't prepared for household sickness. Parks and beaches are so full, further restrictions are going in place.
 
Makes you wonder @Madri-Gal, a person that was told to self isolate here went to a wedding and gave 35 people there an unwanted present, yep, 35 new Covid19 cases thanks to one self-centered idiot, part of generation ME!
 
Madri-Gal said:
The entire state of California is supposed to be Sheltering In Place, and today two of my immediate neighbors were having parties, and another had several people over. There was much merriment and music. There aren't this many gatherings for the Fourth Of July in this neighborhood. People should be preparing to be sick, with sick kids, spouses, friends. They might not get sick, and great, but there will be houses of sick people, and parties are not the way to go. Most people aren't prepared for household sickness. Parks and beaches are so full, further restrictions are going in place.
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For this social distancing to work we need everybody to play and time is of the essence.
 
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