Baron23
Well-Known Member
Reposting my thoughts and reviews, originally posted to another site, related to my initial experiences with the MV-1.
got one early but I'm late to the game in using and posting about it. Crazy week and I don't have much time now. This is pretty much the same post I made over on Bud's site.
I just tried my first chamber with it. I was in bad shape yesterday and in no mood to fiddle with a new vape and there were circumstance that dictated I couldn’t get to it earlier even though I received it last Thursday.
Load was .1 g (est.) of Sour Tangie, my regular grind which is the NV fine grinder, my regular dry and store moisture level, nothing different. I did NOT prepare this herb for the MV-1. This is what I run in pretty much everything.
I just quit after four magnificent draws on level 2 (two amber lights). No shit, even the first hit was highly visible and dense. All hits were smooth and cool....not a cough to be had. I had to quit after four, I have to function today and I'm high as a kite (ok, I'm medicated...but I'm REALLY high! LOL).
Let me repeat, dense, visible, cool, smooth, no cough, from the start on level 2!! Whoot Whoot (I never do this shit…wow LOL)
I know others will disagree, but my view is that MJ vapor is visible. It reflects light across a wide spectrum and that’s why it looks white. I have never bought into that idea that a vape is delivering the goods without visible exhaust. Even THC distillate, with is pure THC without the water vapor and all the other stuff we boil out of herb, gives off white vapor when dabbed. No visible vapor and I immediately think of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
It was no problem with the MV-1 with this load of this herb (only my first load…a sample of one, yeah) I got very visible and dense vapor from the start (yeah, I’m getting repetitious but I’m really buzzed)
Taste started to tail off on the third draw but I expect that and there is no such thing as magic when it comes to compound boiling points. You either boiled it off, or you didn't yet. Fourth draw was still dense so I believe there is a fifth draw in there and that's one of my test use cases for 'on-demand'...that is, can I walk away from it like a pipe and then just come back and successfully hit it later.
So, I have not opened the chamber as I want to run this load out first, but I really don't give a dang how my AVB looks (I'm really trying to clean up my language here...and my combative attitude while I'm at it LOL). This is like a E-nano size load...maybe a bit bigger. If all I ever got out of a load was these four draws, then I'd perfectly happy. I know it’s not burnt or charred in there (well, I don’t know but I sure haven’t tasted any hint of it)
I didn't think about draw speed, I just drew like felt normal. I had the MP fully extended or damn close to it and got that little burbling sound which doesn't bother me a bit. I did not treat this device in any special way…I just used it which is what I expect from an appliance and it worked great.
Look, you know me....I'm not a cheerleader, I am critical and nitpicky as heck. AND, this is only my first bowl. But I’m sitting here grinning like the Cheshire Cat. If I was at a show or convention, and had a chance to just try the MV-1 for the first time and got this experience, I would be immediately buying one.
I'm not going to do the MV-1 vs Mighty comparison...I think it’s unfair to both companies. Both are great vapes. I really like my Mighty for that go to bed, 'sedation and pain', session. Cause that's what I want at that point in time, a .2 - .25 g session. It’s perfect for that.
But when I wake up in at 2 in the morning in pain and want some really effective and quick hits to put me back to bed, the MV-1 will be my choice. Daytime, can't beat it (except I'm way too blasted right now for this time of day! LOL).
Now, I still stand my constructive criticism regarding the crucible lid and the controls/displays. Lid must have some degree of retention and I think something as simple as making the tabs fit inside of the crucible with a bit of a friction fit would do it. People have dismissed retaining the lid for reasons such as the complexity and failure modes of tiny hinges…but it need not be anywhere that complex. Wrt to display and controls, so me and Ghost have a difference in design aesthetics. To me a vape is primarily a tool, not a symbol of my life style. So I want straight forward controls and displays that provide the resolution I want and to this end, one button for all modes/values and one set of idiot lights does not satisfy. To me, proper controls would be an on/off, up, and down button coupled with a display that showed temp and battery charge. But, neither of these criticisms are impacting my ability to use and enjoy my new vape. I would offer them to Ghost as future feature requests.
P.S. - I did just open the chamber and everything was quite evenly browned but it does look like a 5th hit is in there.
P.S.S. - there was a 5th, 6th, and very wispy 7th left in there....Tangie sure does give up the vapor! LOL
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There have been issues with some devices not heating evenly, sufficiently, perhaps in some cases too hot, and in general just not right. Mine is fine, but others I trust say that they are having issues. I thought that Ghost were pretty clear and open about the issue....the one-off utility that they used to unlock temps that should be set by the app (4 & 5), indeed seemed to screw up other default temp settings that should not have been effected.
You might want to glance over this reply from Ghost for their input and views on support of this going forward
https://forum.vapelife.com/discussion/comment/28412
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Another repost from my 2nd load. Very busy week with family and a lot of other stuff...not a lot of time to play with the MV-1 or write up impressions.
I ran a load of Mr Nice for my bed time sedation/pain session. This was my second load. I would say that this herb was just a bit more damp than the Sour Tangie first load. As a result, the first draw was more wispy but no more so that I have gotten with a Mighty or GH. Second draw was great and third was thick as can be.
However, again, this herb was NOT prepared special for the MV-1 but is my normal fine grind, drying box for a bit then store in Space Case, herb that I use for every other vape. I HATE finicky and am relieved that my regular approach to preparing herb worked just fine.
I got six good draws, three on level 2 and three on level 3 with one last wispy 7th draw. I did have to temp step to level 3 with this dense indica leaning hybrid while the sativa leaning Sour Tangie gave up its vapor all on L2. I do find differences in strain (even batch) and how they vape.
AVB was pretty dang good....extremely small darker spot in the middle, but not charred. I'm with @Sue on this, I know char when I see it and this wasn't charred.
This herb had gone through a NV fine grinder and a bit of drying in a pollen box. I load it the way I load just about anything else....I just use the NV Pax loading tool scoop and drop a scoop in there and use the tool to just settle it a bit, no tamping though at all....just settle it down a bit. Worked fine. I would estimate this load to be .12 or so but I will start weighing crucible loads going forward to verify.
All herb is a bit different to vape. e.g. Blue Dream and the Tangie are both lighter colored herb and give up lots of vapor easily. The Mr Nice is kind of middle of the road. I just finished some Fire OG and this particular herb was very stingy giving up vapor. I cannot explain this, but its been pretty consistent. The Fire OG really would have been better burnt than vaped but....
I will say that after completing a load in a session type way I got no overheating (yeah, Troy) and while the swing arm got pretty warm, the rest of the vape was nice and cool and it was easy to hold without touching the closed swing arm without doing a lot of body English.
Let's talk effects. I do try to take a bit of an objective or scientific approach to some of this stuff. And its a fact that there is just not much in the way of research on vape extraction efficiency and overall cannibinoid delivery.
Here is the only scholarly article that I have found that addresses this.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147286
Its dense, I can't say I read the whole study and looked in detail at all of the charts and data...but the summary or abstract is pretty illuminating.
So, scientifically and mathematically, its simply not possible to extract three times as much as these other top line vapes. You just can't.
With that said, for some reason or another this vape really hits me hard. I wasn't kidding about that day time Tangie load...it whacked me.
Now I have experienced a couple of things.....one, different vapes definitely do seem to have a different 'signature' in terms of effects. I have always thought my humble glass VapCap OG had some sort of black magic as a it gets me very high on very little (but certainly not as comfortably as the MV-1).
But one of my other experiences is 'new vape excitement'. It often seems that a new vape is sort of like hitting a new strain that gets around your strain lock and hits you like it did when you were 16 (or when I was 16, all others I'm sure waited until they were adults with fully formed brains before imbibing in MJ...right? LOL). But its real. First sessions with my Enano (which I still adore) just blew me away. Same with my GH. My first session with the EVO got me so high that when I tried a second ELB load, I forgot to put the lid on it and promptly filled my HT with ground herb (and I was way too high to do anything about it at the time LOL). I don't know what it is, some sort of variation of the placebo effect or what.
All I'm saying is the MV-1 got me really blasted but I will be interested to see my reactions after a few months with it. But at the moment, Ghost does seem to have some secret sauce.
I do notice a little bit of grinding when extracting the MP from the HS...but it doesn't really bother me, they will have new parts out for free and without prompting or RMA action by owners, and it didn't scratch the glass at all. None issue for me.
We need a crucible loading tool. It does not need to be extravagant or complex...better if it was just simple. But something funnel like or otherwise as it is a bit of a PIA to fill the crucible and not drop herb all over the place. I have a loading tool for my SwiftPro, one from Delta 3D for my GH, certainly the Mighty has a loading tool but the oven is a pretty big target (and not filled to the brim) so not as important to me there. But the crucibles, yeah...that would be nice.
TLDR - Overall, still very, very happy with this purchase.
Oh, P.S. - these crucibles, when used for back to back draws for a session, get hot as f*ck!!
So, the EVO ELBs get hot and I have definitely burned myself with a hot Enano GonG, but the crucible does get very hot and unlike the Mighty's dosing capsules, I can't just turn it over and dump the crucible out....BECAUSE THE LID IS NOT RETAINED!! LOL
I pretty heat sensitive compared to others, but this sucker does really get hot and it does take time to cool off to the point I could extract it for reloading.
In summary, so far (and this is very preliminary due to not enough use yet), I am very happy with the MV-1. I view it as portable and not pocketable and a home portable at that due to crucible lid situation and size/weight. It seems to be very fit for purpose in its use case, but it is not the universal, sell everything else you have, vape. For example, I do so far like my MV-1 very much, but I'm also not selling my Mighty. Two very different, but excellent, vapes and both fit use cases that I desire.
Got to run...will be back later. Good luck, guys
got one early but I'm late to the game in using and posting about it. Crazy week and I don't have much time now. This is pretty much the same post I made over on Bud's site.
I just tried my first chamber with it. I was in bad shape yesterday and in no mood to fiddle with a new vape and there were circumstance that dictated I couldn’t get to it earlier even though I received it last Thursday.
Load was .1 g (est.) of Sour Tangie, my regular grind which is the NV fine grinder, my regular dry and store moisture level, nothing different. I did NOT prepare this herb for the MV-1. This is what I run in pretty much everything.
I just quit after four magnificent draws on level 2 (two amber lights). No shit, even the first hit was highly visible and dense. All hits were smooth and cool....not a cough to be had. I had to quit after four, I have to function today and I'm high as a kite (ok, I'm medicated...but I'm REALLY high! LOL).
Let me repeat, dense, visible, cool, smooth, no cough, from the start on level 2!! Whoot Whoot (I never do this shit…wow LOL)
I know others will disagree, but my view is that MJ vapor is visible. It reflects light across a wide spectrum and that’s why it looks white. I have never bought into that idea that a vape is delivering the goods without visible exhaust. Even THC distillate, with is pure THC without the water vapor and all the other stuff we boil out of herb, gives off white vapor when dabbed. No visible vapor and I immediately think of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
It was no problem with the MV-1 with this load of this herb (only my first load…a sample of one, yeah) I got very visible and dense vapor from the start (yeah, I’m getting repetitious but I’m really buzzed)
Taste started to tail off on the third draw but I expect that and there is no such thing as magic when it comes to compound boiling points. You either boiled it off, or you didn't yet. Fourth draw was still dense so I believe there is a fifth draw in there and that's one of my test use cases for 'on-demand'...that is, can I walk away from it like a pipe and then just come back and successfully hit it later.
So, I have not opened the chamber as I want to run this load out first, but I really don't give a dang how my AVB looks (I'm really trying to clean up my language here...and my combative attitude while I'm at it LOL). This is like a E-nano size load...maybe a bit bigger. If all I ever got out of a load was these four draws, then I'd perfectly happy. I know it’s not burnt or charred in there (well, I don’t know but I sure haven’t tasted any hint of it)
I didn't think about draw speed, I just drew like felt normal. I had the MP fully extended or damn close to it and got that little burbling sound which doesn't bother me a bit. I did not treat this device in any special way…I just used it which is what I expect from an appliance and it worked great.
Look, you know me....I'm not a cheerleader, I am critical and nitpicky as heck. AND, this is only my first bowl. But I’m sitting here grinning like the Cheshire Cat. If I was at a show or convention, and had a chance to just try the MV-1 for the first time and got this experience, I would be immediately buying one.
I'm not going to do the MV-1 vs Mighty comparison...I think it’s unfair to both companies. Both are great vapes. I really like my Mighty for that go to bed, 'sedation and pain', session. Cause that's what I want at that point in time, a .2 - .25 g session. It’s perfect for that.
But when I wake up in at 2 in the morning in pain and want some really effective and quick hits to put me back to bed, the MV-1 will be my choice. Daytime, can't beat it (except I'm way too blasted right now for this time of day! LOL).
Now, I still stand my constructive criticism regarding the crucible lid and the controls/displays. Lid must have some degree of retention and I think something as simple as making the tabs fit inside of the crucible with a bit of a friction fit would do it. People have dismissed retaining the lid for reasons such as the complexity and failure modes of tiny hinges…but it need not be anywhere that complex. Wrt to display and controls, so me and Ghost have a difference in design aesthetics. To me a vape is primarily a tool, not a symbol of my life style. So I want straight forward controls and displays that provide the resolution I want and to this end, one button for all modes/values and one set of idiot lights does not satisfy. To me, proper controls would be an on/off, up, and down button coupled with a display that showed temp and battery charge. But, neither of these criticisms are impacting my ability to use and enjoy my new vape. I would offer them to Ghost as future feature requests.
P.S. - I did just open the chamber and everything was quite evenly browned but it does look like a 5th hit is in there.
P.S.S. - there was a 5th, 6th, and very wispy 7th left in there....Tangie sure does give up the vapor! LOL
================
There have been issues with some devices not heating evenly, sufficiently, perhaps in some cases too hot, and in general just not right. Mine is fine, but others I trust say that they are having issues. I thought that Ghost were pretty clear and open about the issue....the one-off utility that they used to unlock temps that should be set by the app (4 & 5), indeed seemed to screw up other default temp settings that should not have been effected.
You might want to glance over this reply from Ghost for their input and views on support of this going forward
https://forum.vapelife.com/discussion/comment/28412
===============
Another repost from my 2nd load. Very busy week with family and a lot of other stuff...not a lot of time to play with the MV-1 or write up impressions.
I ran a load of Mr Nice for my bed time sedation/pain session. This was my second load. I would say that this herb was just a bit more damp than the Sour Tangie first load. As a result, the first draw was more wispy but no more so that I have gotten with a Mighty or GH. Second draw was great and third was thick as can be.
However, again, this herb was NOT prepared special for the MV-1 but is my normal fine grind, drying box for a bit then store in Space Case, herb that I use for every other vape. I HATE finicky and am relieved that my regular approach to preparing herb worked just fine.
I got six good draws, three on level 2 and three on level 3 with one last wispy 7th draw. I did have to temp step to level 3 with this dense indica leaning hybrid while the sativa leaning Sour Tangie gave up its vapor all on L2. I do find differences in strain (even batch) and how they vape.
AVB was pretty dang good....extremely small darker spot in the middle, but not charred. I'm with @Sue on this, I know char when I see it and this wasn't charred.
This herb had gone through a NV fine grinder and a bit of drying in a pollen box. I load it the way I load just about anything else....I just use the NV Pax loading tool scoop and drop a scoop in there and use the tool to just settle it a bit, no tamping though at all....just settle it down a bit. Worked fine. I would estimate this load to be .12 or so but I will start weighing crucible loads going forward to verify.
All herb is a bit different to vape. e.g. Blue Dream and the Tangie are both lighter colored herb and give up lots of vapor easily. The Mr Nice is kind of middle of the road. I just finished some Fire OG and this particular herb was very stingy giving up vapor. I cannot explain this, but its been pretty consistent. The Fire OG really would have been better burnt than vaped but....
I will say that after completing a load in a session type way I got no overheating (yeah, Troy) and while the swing arm got pretty warm, the rest of the vape was nice and cool and it was easy to hold without touching the closed swing arm without doing a lot of body English.
Let's talk effects. I do try to take a bit of an objective or scientific approach to some of this stuff. And its a fact that there is just not much in the way of research on vape extraction efficiency and overall cannibinoid delivery.
Here is the only scholarly article that I have found that addresses this.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147286
Its dense, I can't say I read the whole study and looked in detail at all of the charts and data...but the summary or abstract is pretty illuminating.
In Vitro Validation of Vaporizers said:Recoveries of THCtot and CBDtot in the vapor of 4 electrically-driven vaporizers were 58.4 and 51.4%, 66.8 and 56.1%, 82.7 and 70.0% and 54.6 and 56.7% for Volcano Medic®, Plenty Vaporizer®, Arizer Solo® and DaVinci Vaporizer®, respectively. Decarboxylation efficiency was excellent for THC (≥ 97.3%) and CBD (≥ 94.6%).
So, scientifically and mathematically, its simply not possible to extract three times as much as these other top line vapes. You just can't.
With that said, for some reason or another this vape really hits me hard. I wasn't kidding about that day time Tangie load...it whacked me.
Now I have experienced a couple of things.....one, different vapes definitely do seem to have a different 'signature' in terms of effects. I have always thought my humble glass VapCap OG had some sort of black magic as a it gets me very high on very little (but certainly not as comfortably as the MV-1).
But one of my other experiences is 'new vape excitement'. It often seems that a new vape is sort of like hitting a new strain that gets around your strain lock and hits you like it did when you were 16 (or when I was 16, all others I'm sure waited until they were adults with fully formed brains before imbibing in MJ...right? LOL). But its real. First sessions with my Enano (which I still adore) just blew me away. Same with my GH. My first session with the EVO got me so high that when I tried a second ELB load, I forgot to put the lid on it and promptly filled my HT with ground herb (and I was way too high to do anything about it at the time LOL). I don't know what it is, some sort of variation of the placebo effect or what.
All I'm saying is the MV-1 got me really blasted but I will be interested to see my reactions after a few months with it. But at the moment, Ghost does seem to have some secret sauce.
I do notice a little bit of grinding when extracting the MP from the HS...but it doesn't really bother me, they will have new parts out for free and without prompting or RMA action by owners, and it didn't scratch the glass at all. None issue for me.
We need a crucible loading tool. It does not need to be extravagant or complex...better if it was just simple. But something funnel like or otherwise as it is a bit of a PIA to fill the crucible and not drop herb all over the place. I have a loading tool for my SwiftPro, one from Delta 3D for my GH, certainly the Mighty has a loading tool but the oven is a pretty big target (and not filled to the brim) so not as important to me there. But the crucibles, yeah...that would be nice.
TLDR - Overall, still very, very happy with this purchase.
Oh, P.S. - these crucibles, when used for back to back draws for a session, get hot as f*ck!!
So, the EVO ELBs get hot and I have definitely burned myself with a hot Enano GonG, but the crucible does get very hot and unlike the Mighty's dosing capsules, I can't just turn it over and dump the crucible out....BECAUSE THE LID IS NOT RETAINED!! LOL
I pretty heat sensitive compared to others, but this sucker does really get hot and it does take time to cool off to the point I could extract it for reloading.
In summary, so far (and this is very preliminary due to not enough use yet), I am very happy with the MV-1. I view it as portable and not pocketable and a home portable at that due to crucible lid situation and size/weight. It seems to be very fit for purpose in its use case, but it is not the universal, sell everything else you have, vape. For example, I do so far like my MV-1 very much, but I'm also not selling my Mighty. Two very different, but excellent, vapes and both fit use cases that I desire.
Got to run...will be back later. Good luck, guys