Vape Dynavap

[Cuckfumbustion]

@momofthegoons Sometime on a rainy day, get vaped and watch videos of 3D printing models all afternoon. You can kinda of see the math. Different approach than say a CnC machine.
Would like to hear more of you thought on the induction heater. There is a way I picture it working.

If it heats the cap evenly, then it resembles my preferred lighter method. Where I let the flames lick over more of the surface as opposed to heating a fixed point and twirling. If there a ring of heat around the cap, then all air passing through will catch that energy. With my triangle flame and my 'M' , one sec over the click is the edge.

The whole idea of having lights as a cue as well as the click. That is starting to sink in more now. Do you depend on that at all?

@ataxian wanted you unvarnished opinion on the M. So glad you got the knack right away and found a vaporized version of the joint. TBH, I figured that might be your take if you got on with it.
Not much for a wood in airpath either. But would consider one made of a more traditional wood meant for pipes in my collection. @phattpiggie mentioned getting yourself a Ti tip. That was what I did last sale.
Trying to decide if I deserve a 7 fin. Somebody has to get one of the longest black stems with creamy colored centers @phattpiggie makes and pair it with that.

The right tool 4 what your trying to do?

I think it has a different impact as well. Not +/-. Maybe like a joint?

 

[ataxian]

@momofthegoons Sometime on a rainy day, get vaped and watch videos of 3D printing models all afternoon. You can kinda of see the math. Different approach than say a CnC machine.
Would like to hear more of you thought on the induction heater. There is a way I picture it working.

If it heats the cap evenly, then it resembles my preferred lighter method. Where I let the flames lick over more of the surface as opposed to heating a fixed point and twirling. If there a ring of heat around the cap, then all air passing through will catch that energy. With my triangle flame and my 'M' , one sec over the click is the edge.

The whole idea of having lights as a cue as well as the click. That is starting to sink in more now. Do you depend on that at all?

@ataxian wanted you unvarnished opinion on the M. So glad you got the knack right away and found a vaporized version of the joint. TBH, I figured that might be your take if you got on with it.
Not much for a wood in airpath either. But would consider one made of a more traditional wood meant for pipes in my collection. @phattpiggie mentioned getting yourself a Ti tip. That was what I did last sale.
Trying to decide if I deserve a 7 fin. Somebody has to get one of the longest black stems with creamy colored centers @phattpiggie makes and pair it with that.

I think it has a different impact as well. Not +/-. Maybe like a joint?

1ST time it worked like a charm (EASY) I like water path best!
It will get you super STONED beyond MEDICATION
Like a shot of 12 year old Scotch
420 MACHINE with CALIFORNIA WINE and a HOT WIFE (firing + hyper intelligent)

A good read everyday = CIVILIZED

CANNABIS is so safe?
LAW'S that are without LOGIC?
PEOPLE believe wrongly?

PLUG-IN
PORTABLE
TORCH
Choose the correct method 4 the program!

 

[Stevenski]

Different strokes for different tokes!

Fixed your quote Ataxian .

Busted out my burly for some car park action before The Last Jedi. Both were very good. I was really too stoned for my own good as I "forgot" I had it loaded with my last bit of shatter.

My caps don't come out that often these days but when I do put a torch to the cap it reminds me of what a powerful little unit it really is.

 

[ataxian]

Fixed your quote Ataxian .

Busted out my burly for some car park action before The Last Jedi. Both were very good. I was really too stoned for my own good as I "forgot" I had it loaded with my last bit of shatter.

My caps don't come out that often these days but when I do put a torch to the cap it reminds me of what a powerful little unit it really is.

I just had a tanK full at 36 watts on my MOD with 200 watt capacity. (ROSIN forgot what kine?)
Tonight before 420 and MSNBS I had a VAP CAP "M" filled with DOSIDOS COLAS and I can't feel my face.

I was writing to @Kellya86 about the vAPCAP "M'"!
@Stevenski get MAXED like a BLOKE who know's how?

It will F^ck U up! (CANNABIS) in a positive way!

That's my story and it's true!

 

[momofthegoons]

Sometime on a rainy day, get vaped and watch videos of 3D printing models all afternoon.

Lol.... okie dokey. If I must......

The whole idea of having lights as a cue as well as the click. That is starting to sink in more now. Do you depend on that at all?

I don't really rely on the light as a cue... although that is what shows you it is on and heating. So I guess in a way it is a cue. For me it's the even, consistent heat that makes a difference. And it actually heats the end of the cap... rather than the side surface. And there's no twirling. Maybe that's what makes the biggest difference? Picture the old cigarette lighter in a car... how it plugged in and heated up. That's the closest analogy I can think of.

In any case I love it. I get inconsistent results with any of the lighters I've tried. Maybe I just don't have the patience required. The induction heater made it a no brainer.

Somebody has to get one of the longest black stems with creamy colored centers @phattpiggie makes and pair it with that.

Stop it... don't tempt me! I just bought the blackwood stem, aka The Conway, and it's on it's way. A little Christmas present to myself. I gotta say.... phattpiggie's stems are a bit addictive. And look so classy when in use. I get comments all the time on my Zebrano stem from him. I bring it out at dinner parties and when I use it with the induction heater people are lik, "Wait.... What?"

1ST time it worked like a charm (EASY)

That is great! I combusted my first few tries. I had a feeling you would like the similarity to a joint as well. Do you like the carb feature on it?

 

[ataxian]

Lol.... okie dokey. If I must......


I don't really rely on the light as a cue... although that is what shows you it is on and heating. So I guess in a way it is a cue. For me it's the even, consistent heat that makes a difference. And it actually heats the end of the cap... rather than the side surface. And there's no twirling. Maybe that's what makes the biggest difference? Picture the old cigarette lighter in a car... how it plugged in and heated up. That's the closest analogy I can think of.

In any case I love it. I get inconsistent results with any of the lighters I've tried. Maybe I just don't have the patience required. The induction heater made it a no brainer.


Stop it... don't tempt me! I just bought the blackwood stem, aka The Conway, and it's on it's way. A little Christmas present to myself. I gotta say.... phattpiggie's stems are a bit addictive. And look so classy when in use. I get comments all the time on my Zebrano stem from him. I bring it out at dinner parties and when I use it with the induction heater people are lik, "Wait.... What?"


That is great! I combusted my first few tries. I had a feeling you would like the similarity to a joint as well. Do you like the carb feature on it?

It's a great little guy to own.
I love my PLUG-IN'S a lot, however it's like a JOINT.
The HIPPY vibe is there 4 sure, however most likely safer!

 

[momofthegoons]

The HIPPY vibe is there 4 sure, however most likely safer!

Lol... well vaping is always safer than smoking.

I've always thought that this is the perfect portable vape to help people switch over to vaping since it emulates smoking so much with the torch, etc.

 

[ataxian]

Lol... well vaping is always safer than smoking.

I've always thought that this is the perfect portable vape to help people switch over to vaping since it emulates smoking so much with the torch, etc.

Your'e right the "M" is perfect for TRANSITIONING to PLUG VAPING!

 

[Cuckfumbustion]

Picture the old cigarette lighter in a car... how it plugged in and heated up. That's the closest analogy I can think of.

Aha! So does the unit itself get warm/hot at all? Still fuzzy as to where the force of magnetic energy is in play.

And there's no twirling

That tempted me right there. Using the EVO gets the body of my M hot. Where the induction heater only heats certain conductive metals. Especially the cap. So the torch method is find a spot and twirl. Does the IH get the full surface equally hot or is it more like a ring around the cylinder part. Trying to imagine the magnetic field in play.

Stop it... don't tempt me! I just bought the blackwood stem, aka The Conway, and it's on it's way. A little Christmas present to myself. I gotta say.... phattpiggie's stems are a bit addictive. And look so classy when in use. I get comments all the time on my Zebrano stem from him. I bring it out at dinner parties and when I use it with the induction heater people are lik, "Wait.... What?"

What! Oh I'm sorry that I mentioned it now. Didn't know you had exactly the type of stem I was imaging for the 7 fin.

I'm trying not to got puffitup and grab a vapcap S. <---Oh that's just great, Now he's tempting me. Has he at least left you alone for now?

@momofthegoons Sometime on a rainy day, get vaped and watch videos of 3D printing models all afternoon.

Lol.... okie dokey. If I must......

Think of it as a constructive waste of time. Maybe play some instrumental music (perhaps from The Beats thread. )
I believe it is important for vaporists at the asylum to have some proper zone out time and take a safety break.

That is great! I combusted my first few tries. I had a feeling you would like the similarity to a joint as well. Do you like the carb feature on it?

I was going through weak and watery hits for my learning curve. A few combustion moments.

@ataxian do you have a preference of carbed over carbless yet?

 

[momofthegoons]

Aha! So does the unit itself get warm/hot at all? Still fuzzy as to where the force of magnetic energy is in play.

Well.... I haven't stuck my finger down in the opening..... but I would imagine that it does get hot. There's a coil of wire around the glass. When you push your stem down it activates the heater and starts the warming process. Just like a car lighter.

I'll get a pic of that portion of the heater, once my coffee has properly opened my eyes, and you can see what I'm talking about.

Does the IH get the full surface equally hot or is it more like a ring around the cylinder part. Trying to imagine the magnetic field in play.

Not quite sure what you are asking here... the entire cap is very hot after using the induction heater... so I would say it heats it evenly. Perhaps all the heat isn't being transferred from the very tip (since there are rings of wire around the glass) but I would say that is where most of the heat comes from and heats the very tip of the cap.

Has he at least left you alone for now?

No he hasn't lol. I've been eyeing the other stems phattpiggie had up......

@ataxian do you have a preference of carbed over carbless yet?

I know you asked ataxian but.... I also like to butt in where I can. I am usually a carb fan. And love it on the 'M.' But I don't miss it at all on the stem that I got from phattpiggie. I think there's room for both in my line up.

The carb feature does add a nice little burst of air though... I often feel like I'm sucking on a milkshake that's a little too thick. That little burst lightens the load a bit.. if you know what I mean?

 

[momofthegoons]

Okay.... here is a picture of the outside of the induction heater's 'heat port'....for lack of a better wordage.

And this is looking straight down into it...

You can see where the tip of the cap nestles into the heater....

 

[ataxian]

Well.... I haven't stuck my finger down in the opening..... but I would imagine that it does get hot. There's a coil of wire around the glass. When you push your stem down it activates the heater and starts the warming process. Just like a car lighter.

I'll get a pic of that portion of the heater, once my coffee has properly opened my eyes, and you can see what I'm talking about.


Not quite sure what you are asking here... the entire cap is very hot after using the induction heater... so I would say it heats it evenly. Perhaps all the heat isn't being transferred from the very tip (since there are rings of wire around the glass) but I would say that is where most of the heat comes from and heats the very tip of the cap.


No he hasn't lol. I've been eyeing the other stems phattpiggie had up......


I know you asked ataxian but.... I also like to butt in where I can. I am usually a carb fan. And love it on the 'M.' But I don't miss it at all on the stem that I got from phattpiggie. I think there's room for both in my line up.

The carb feature does add a nice little burst of air though... I often feel like I'm sucking on a milkshake that's a little too thick. That little burst lightens the load a bit.. if you know what I mean?

Like I said the "M" is in my rotation and it fits a niche in my rotation.
The carb is one more feature that is more work than necessary, However I'm sure some need it?
Plug-in's are a different animal.

 

[Cuckfumbustion]

Not quite sure what you are asking here... the entire cap is very hot after using the induction heater... so I would say it heats it evenly. Perhaps all the heat isn't being transferred from the very tip (since there are rings of wire around the glass) but I would say that is where most of the heat comes from and heats the very tip of the cap.

Can't tell if I'm overthinking what is going on when the rubber meets the road or not. Perhaps I'm fuzzy as to how the electrical current plays a role with the coil. I'm wondering if there is heat energy in the coils being created or if the coils become electrically charged and then react with the cap and hence causing the heat energy. In that manner. Is weird science involved?

The cap does a great job on transferring heat as designed. And as you found, torch lighters tend to hit a smaller area. So if it is heat from the coil, then yea the part of the cap that is not close to the coil might not get as much direct heat. Now if it is the weird science, then the heat generated between the cap and the coil, is caused by the current. Then I'm that much that more intrigued.

So does the glass part of the heater get hot? That might clue me in as to what magic is going on. Thanks for the pics of the internals @momofthegoons to help wrap my head around this.

I know you asked ataxian but.... I also like to butt in where I can. I am usually a carb fan. And love it on the 'M.' But I don't miss it at all on the stem that I got from phattpiggie. I think there's room for both in my line up.

The carb feature does add a nice little burst of air though... I often feel like I'm sucking on a milkshake that's a little too thick. That little burst lightens the load a bit.. if you know what I mean?

Understand the pluses of either going carbed or carbless. Having a pipe that has more inside volume might offset the need for a carb and that straw sucking feel.

Also might help in making the vapor more visible. The VC has caused me to rethink what happens in vapor formation after the heat has passed thru the materials. Like figuring out how I was getting watery low level vapor. or how much air is dragging over the hot metal beforehand. When that became the least restrictive point after some technique I found my self using the carb less and continuing to draw long after the cooling click until I felt the cap had exhausted all it's heat. Trying to find the carb hole became a nuisance after coming up with some clever way to heat the lighter while being outside. Convenience pushed me further to going carbless.

The middle technique is feathering. allowing tiny amounts of air slip through during the draw. Getting less thin straw action yet keeping the heat in the cap for vapor production. Some even play with the airhole to have just a tiny amount of cooling air to their vapor air mix.

Plug-in's are a different animal.

Agreed! They have their place. Some can ditch their portable after getting a VC. But there are situations where I'd rather have a session vape. VC's are being used more to save the battery life of my portables and will be the off the grid vape for me.

 

[phattpiggie]

Can't leave you all on your own to explain this @momofthegoons so here's some more pictures and a bit of technical info on the magic that's going on.

@Cuckfumbustion the IH works thu the high frequency oscillation of the supplied alternating current in the coil.
This in turn creates alternating eddy currents around the coil which then heat up any metal inside of the coil.
Iron being the metal of choice for efficiency. IH hobs require pans that have some ferric content to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating
This is the usual show piece picture on how the hob works, the only bit to get 'hot' is the pan and it's contents. The glass will become warm as it's in contact with the pan. The egg being non ferric remains uncooked.
They are more efficient than normal electric hobs and offer the control of gas.

Loads must be tamped as the clicker end gets hot enough to char a load.

Here's how my first heavily modded Skelly ended up. As you can see I recessed the glass tube as I break the stuff.
The internal diameter of the glass is 12mm or 1/2" so unless you have little digits you can't get a finger in there.

The heat is focused around the middle of the coils and only when something metallic is inserted. The glass tube absorbs heat but is only ever warm to the touch. The coil also gets warm but never hot. I know this for certain as I used this one without the heater cover for ages.

 

[momofthegoons]

Can't leave you all on your own to explain this @momofthegoons so here's some more pictures and a bit of technical info on the magic that's going on.

Bless you..... I was about to call 'uncle' and get you into the conversation.

Is weird science involved?

Good thing phattpiggie stepped in cause I was about to say yes.... it's the Tic Tacs....

But it would appear that not everyone's Skeletor has these.... so perhaps my induction heater has super powers????

 

[Cuckfumbustion]

The heat is focused around the middle of the coils and only when something metallic is inserted. The glass tube absorbs heat but is only ever warm to the touch. The coil also gets warm but never hot. I know this for certain as I used this one without the heater cover for ages.

OK that explains where the rubber meets the road for me and what role the electrical current is in play. The glass itself doesn't react to the field being generated. Just ferrous metals. Cool. And you have already come up with a portable wood version. That just might get me to think about a skelly a little more. Not ready to solder things and playing with current. But making a portable heater with the interface with the internals all worked out.
Yes @momofthegoons it is the weird science. Watching DIY vids for IH ATM.

Ranging from 1st timer to techie. One kid didn't use copper wire and kept blowing up stuff in plooms of black smoke.
person explains the technical problems that newbs run into while showing his project. Yes! There is different levels of sophistication when it came to parts and technical know how needed. [/FONT]
@phattpiggie thanks for answering that and your design IH.

 

[phattpiggie]

it's the Tic Tacs....

Orange bloody Tic Tacs, I was so hoping for cinnamon.

@Cuckfumbustion it's a pleasure. The IH pairs really well with the VC and I wouldn't be without it now.

The glass is there to keep the VC cap from touching the coil and helps centre it. The coil is shellaced and it saves it from getting damaged.
You could use wood in place of the glass. In theory plastic or carbon fibre would work but the risk of touching them with a hot VC rules them out.
@Pipes added the LED's so you could see when the heat was on and the aesthetics of the illuminated tube is a nice touch.

My first IH originally came like this and it's been changed about a couple of times and will more than likely get changed again.

 

[ataxian]

Can't tell if I'm overthinking what is going on when the rubber meets the road or not. Perhaps I'm fuzzy as to how the electrical current plays a role with the coil. I'm wondering if there is heat energy in the coils being created or if the coils become electrically charged and then react with the cap and hence causing the heat energy. In that manner. Is weird science involved?

The cap does a great job on transferring heat as designed. And as you found, torch lighters tend to hit a smaller area. So if it is heat from the coil, then yea the part of the cap that is not close to the coil might not get as much direct heat. Now if it is the weird science, then the heat generated between the cap and the coil, is caused by the current. Then I'm that much that more intrigued.

So does the glass part of the heater get hot? That might clue me in as to what magic is going on. Thanks for the pics of the internals @momofthegoons to help wrap my head around this.

Understand the pluses of either going carbed or carbless. Having a pipe that has more inside volume might offset the need for a carb and that straw sucking feel.

Also might help in making the vapor more visible. The VC has caused me to rethink what happens in vapor formation after the heat has passed thru the materials. Like figuring out how I was getting watery low level vapor. or how much air is dragging over the hot metal beforehand. When that became the least restrictive point after some technique I found my self using the carb less and continuing to draw long after the cooling click until I felt the cap had exhausted all it's heat. Trying to find the carb hole became a nuisance after coming up with some clever way to heat the lighter while being outside. Convenience pushed me further to going carbless.

The middle technique is feathering. allowing tiny amounts of air slip through during the draw. Getting less thin straw action yet keeping the heat in the cap for vapor production. Some even play with the airhole to have just a tiny amount of cooling air to their vapor air mix.

Agreed! They have their place. Some can ditch their portable after getting a VC. But there are situations where I'd rather have a session vape. VC's are being used more to save the battery life of my portables and will be the off the grid vape for me.

I have a "M" VAP CAP SS this little guy is lot a JOINT however HEALTHIER.
When I say the PLUG-IN'S R a different animal I mean just that!

 

[Cuckfumbustion]

Two bullets in the chamber. Will come up with a way to store 3. Added a silicone ring where the M is stored for less rattle. Nice Dynastash. But hope to make it more winter travel friendly.

 

[ataxian]

Can't leave you all on your own to explain this @momofthegoons so here's some more pictures and a bit of technical info on the magic that's going on.

@Cuckfumbustion the IH works thu the high frequency oscillation of the supplied alternating current in the coil.
This in turn creates alternating eddy currents around the coil which then heat up any metal inside of the coil.
Iron being the metal of choice for efficiency. IH hobs require pans that have some ferric content to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating
This is the usual show piece picture on how the hob works, the only bit to get 'hot' is the pan and it's contents. The glass will become warm as it's in contact with the pan. The egg being non ferric remains uncooked.
They are more efficient than normal electric hobs and offer the control of gas.

Loads must be tamped as the clicker end gets hot enough to char a load.

Here's how my first heavily modded Skelly ended up. As you can see I recessed the glass tube as I break the stuff.
The internal diameter of the glass is 12mm or 1/2" so unless you have little digits you can't get a finger in there.


The heat is focused around the middle of the coils and only when something metallic is inserted. The glass tube absorbs heat but is only ever warm to the touch. The coil also gets warm but never hot. I know this for certain as I used this one without the heater cover for ages.

I just realized that we all think we know everything?

$110 for a lighter?
I use a lighter that is less than $7 and work's?

The "M" is amazing to me?

What am I missing?